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scottroxburgh

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New Shimpaku (Raw stock).
« on: April 03, 2010, 04:42 AM »
This is my largest Shimpaku, that I picked up today at the Canberra Bonsai Society meeting.

I bought this one primarily because of the roots they seemed to be the best of the 10 or so that where up for sale.

I'm mostly looking for some ideas on where to go.

Here are some pics.

P.S. Oh yeah, I included a quarter for all you Americans!  ;)
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Re: New Shimpaku (Raw stock).
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2010, 04:47 AM »
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Re: New Shimpaku (Raw stock).
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2010, 05:33 AM »
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Re: New Shimpaku (Raw stock).
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2010, 01:38 AM »
Hello.  I thought I would give you my 2 cents.  Check out my drawing.  I would reduce the tree greatly and pick a new trunkline that I like.  Then remove some of the branches that I don't like.  Then reduce the branches that I want to keep to make it look more like a tree.  Now it looks like a bush or shrub.  I would use some protective tree wrap and wire the new trunkline.  In the drawing I show the trunkline that I might choose.  But, you can decide what you like.  I would say picking the future trunkline should be the priority.  I wouldn't worry too much about the branches now.  I may even put it in the ground for a while and let the thing grow some new shoots for the new trunkline.  Good luck!  Steve  PS. I am not a professional bonsai guy.  But, I think this is good advice.    If you want to email me:  salisian@sbcglobal.net
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Re: New Shimpaku (Raw stock).
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2010, 11:44 AM »
Quote from: scottroxburgh on April 03, 2010, 04:42 AM
This is my largest Shimpaku, that I picked up today at the Canberra Bonsai Society meeting.

I bought this one primarily because of the roots they seemed to be the best of the 10 or so that where up for sale.

I'm mostly looking for some ideas on where to go.

Here are some pics.

P.S. Oh yeah, I included a quarter for all you Americans!  ;)

Hello Scott,
is Australian quarter the same size?

I think make this one into shohin.  you can grow new branches and slowly remove large long branches.  i have done it several times,

if you have some room to grow in the ground, bend and twist small runners and let them grow and then airlayer those small twisted branches then put in the ground.  you will have good small trees in a few years.
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Re: New Shimpaku (Raw stock).
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2010, 03:44 AM »
Hi Boon,

I included a quarter from travels to the US, so yes same size.  :)

I too was thinking shohin.

Maybe something like the attached picture? what do you think?

I do have room to grow in the ground,  so the airlayering sounds like a great idea.

Do you mean that i should plant this in the ground or just the ones that i layer off?

I have started to grow in 'Boon mix' so this one will be getting repotted in spring, just back into the same pot.

Also how important do you think nebari is on shimpaku, should one bother looking for a good nebari or does it not really matter.

Thanks for you input.

Scott.
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Re: New Shimpaku (Raw stock).
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2010, 06:15 AM »
Hi Scott
Was wondering about the Quarter as we don't have any here :-) Closest thing is a 20c piece.

Nice tree :-)

What is it potted in now?

What do you use in your "Boons Mix". tried to source equivalent materials here but failed miserably. Now just use Diatomite / Zeolite

Ken
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Re: New Shimpaku (Raw stock).
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2010, 08:26 PM »
Ken,

I have used the recipe for 'Boon mix' as per Chris Johnston's page but with some variations because of availability.

1 part lava rock - Zeolite, as I can't find lava rock and it seems to have similar properties

1 part pumice (which is lighter and holds less water than lava) - I have used pumice in my current mix but depending if I can get some more pumice I may try Diatomite

1 part akadama  (which will break down in about 2 years) - Tick - Arthur

1/2 cup horticultural charcoal (per 5 gallon mix) - Tick - Bunnings

1/2 cup decomposed granite (per 5 gallon mix) - Tick - Trailer load from a landscaper (sifted)

It is currently grown in potting mix/gravel.

After viewing the trees in 'inorganics' of the SOBs, I too feel this is the way to go - it is a lot easier to control moisture.

I have also potted a number of trees in Zeolite/Coarse Sand 50:50 and they seem to be doing well.
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Re: New Shimpaku (Raw stock).
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2010, 09:42 PM »
Quote from: scottroxburgh on May 30, 2010, 03:44 AM
Hi Boon,

I included a quarter from travels to the US, so yes same size.  :)
thanks,

I too was thinking shohin.
nice,
Maybe something like the attached picture? what do you think?
that is a possibility.  it is young, you can make it into several style.  use new buds to form you future branch.

I do have room to grow in the ground,  so the airlayering sounds like a great idea.

Do you mean that i should plant this in the ground or just the ones that i layer off?
yes, the branches that you twisted and bend then air layer and then put in the ground.

I have started to grow in 'Boon mix' so this one will be getting repotted in spring, just back into the same pot.
please keep me posted on how boon mis works there in downunder.


Also how important do you think nebari is on shimpaku, should one bother looking for a good nebari or does it not really matter.
it is great to have nebari,    but when the dead wood is on the ground level, deadwood will rot.  collected tree usually has no nebari.  very few has flair out dead wood that come from the old roots.

Thanks for you input.
you're welcome.  take care,

Scott.
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Re: New Shimpaku (Raw stock).
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2010, 11:39 PM »
Ken,

What materials did you find hard to come by?

My only 'concession' I think is the Lava rock, as I have just found a supplier of graded pumice 4 - 10 mm...$0.25 per litre :o :o :o

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Re: New Shimpaku (Raw stock).
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2010, 11:42 PM »
Quote from: scottroxburgh on May 30, 2010, 11:39 PM
Ken,

What materials did you find hard to come by?

My only 'concession' I think is the Lava rock, as I have just found a supplier of graded pumice 4 - 10 mm...$0.25 per litre :o :o :o

 ;D

Lava rock and Pumice I cannot find anywhere

Instead of lava, I thought that Scoria would be OK, but the smallest I can find is 10mm.
I have no way of breaking it up efficiently so that is off the list, and Pumice is like unobtanium!

Decomposed Granite as you say can be optained, but I only need small quantities so do not want to go the trailer load so used Couarse grshed Nepan sand instead Works good. but figured I woud just use the diatomite instead

Ken
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