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General Category => Deciduous Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: bonsaikc on July 11, 2009, 02:06 PM

Title: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: bonsaikc on July 11, 2009, 02:06 PM
I had originally thought this might be Russian olive, but it isn't. It's part of a hedge from Pavement Ends, the entire hedge being about 20 feet long. This is the only plant that has formed any kind of single trunk, so I am happy it was at one end, not in the middle!

If anyone can help identify it, I would appreciate it. I will show closer photos of the foliage as soon as I get some pictures of them today or tomorrow.
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: bonsaikc on July 11, 2009, 02:09 PM
It responded quite well and has done nicely, so it was time to reduce the trunk to a better size.
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: ken duncan on July 11, 2009, 03:12 PM
Chris, it looks like it may be some form of Japanese Holly, not sure the leaves are to small to tell right now.
Ken
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: bonsaikc on July 11, 2009, 04:36 PM
Ken, I don't believe it's a holly, the leaves are fairly large and smoothly oblate. The new growth comes out in very long straight whips and is quite tender until it is the size of a little larger than a matchstick. I have wired the lower branches once and it has cut in. I removed the wire and am ready to go again, this time with higher branching. These seem to be quite non-apically dominant so I am taking it easy with hard pruning.

Chris
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: T-Town Bonsai on July 11, 2009, 09:54 PM
Chris,
Definitely going to need better pictures of the leaves. 
Frank
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: Jerry Norbury on July 12, 2009, 05:51 AM
I'm guessing a wild Black Cherry: http://www.flickr.com/photos/norbury/3646998576/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/norbury/3646998576/#)
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
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Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: bonsaikc on July 12, 2009, 11:42 PM
I took these photos today, including a closeup of the leaves. They are about 2.5 inches long at full size.
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: Jerry Norbury on July 13, 2009, 02:25 AM
Privet - Legustrum.
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: Heather Coste on July 13, 2009, 08:36 AM
I'm with Jerry on this one. We used to have a 12 foot hedge of this behind my house.
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: Jay Wilson on July 13, 2009, 12:11 PM
Nice material Chris.
I've seen some well done privet bonsai and this one is a blank slate. I'm sure you'll keep us current with your progress.

As an interesting side note, I remember reading some where that the privet is not native to north america, but was introduced in colonial days because the it was fast growing and the wood made a superior charcoal for use in making gunpowder. I could be mistaken though.

Jay
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: John Kirby on July 13, 2009, 03:06 PM
Hi Chris,
Suthin has one with the leaves shrunk down to about 1/4". Of course it is only 4" tall.......

Containers shrink the leaves well.
John
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: bonsaikc on July 13, 2009, 07:21 PM
All,
Thanks for the helpful information. I may be scouring the bottom of that hedge for other possibilities, since this one has responded so well.

Chris
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: JMac on July 17, 2009, 01:36 PM
It looks like what you have there is Ligustrum japonicum, Japanese Ligustrum.  There are many varities of Ligustrum, the most common are Japanese and Chinese (which has a very small leaf - usually 1 inch or less).  In my experience with them, the scars don't "heal" well.  Most likely you'll always have those large cuts, especially if it's grown in a pot.  They can be hollowed in time though and can add an interesting look of age. 

I'm sure you have different growing conditions than I have, but I've found that if I don't repot ligustrums every 1-2 years, they go into decline.  I don't know if it's a fungal problem, restriction of the roots they don't like, or what.  But mature and healthy plants will start dropping branches and eventually die.  I've learned I can't be lazy in repotting this species here.

By the way, both the Japanese and Chinese Ligustrums are considered invasives here in Central Texas and are frequently "culled" out of our woodland.  They're still sold in garden centers though, and I still really like the species.  It's kind of like a temperate climate Ficus.

Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: Jerry Norbury on July 17, 2009, 04:18 PM
I have a number of Common Privet as bonsai - the leaves reduce nicely.
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: bonsaikc on July 17, 2009, 05:04 PM
Privet it is, then. Did I mention that this one never flowers? However it is doing very well and I am looking forward to working with it.

I can tell from the trunk that wounds don't heal well, there are places on one side that have natural hollows. I intend to do carving when the time is right.

Thanks everyone.

Chris
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: bonsaikc on April 22, 2011, 11:45 PM
Here's an update of the Privet.  I took it to Topeka to show it to Suthin, and he wanted to carve it, so we set it up. He traced some live veins and marked what he wanted to cut out with blue chalk. It showed up amazingly well on the bark.
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: bonsaikc on April 22, 2011, 11:47 PM
Here's a look at the completed carving and my wiring job from yesterday. The second photo is from the back, the final is the front. The tree needs to develop and ramify, and I need to add some movement to the top to make it more natural, but I'm thinking three years to display or less. What do you think?
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: Grog on April 26, 2011, 05:07 PM
Pretty quick progress.  Two years?  That's crazy talk.

Much as I love the carving I really like the view opposite where most of the work was done.
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: bonsaikc on April 29, 2011, 04:17 PM
I like that view too, except that the tree leans away fairly strongly from that angle. In future, it's possible that two fronts may be available.
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: Treebeard55 on April 30, 2011, 10:22 PM
I think you're well on the way to a quality bonsai. As for how long it might take you, I prefer not to guess.
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: bonsaikc on July 11, 2011, 12:55 AM
Here's the tree after defoliating today.
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: bonsaikc on July 11, 2011, 01:00 AM
The thing that really gets me moving is the difference between this spring and now.
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: Larry Gockley on July 11, 2011, 10:09 AM
I love it !  Have you checked the root growth in two years. Just wondered how they were doing. Larry
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: bonsaikc on July 11, 2011, 10:12 AM
I'm pretty sure it will have to be repotted next spring. If the top grows this fast....
Title: PRIVET
Post by: bonsaikc on July 29, 2011, 10:55 AM
Here's how the tree has grown out since the last photo. It's very obvious that these trees grow much faster at the bottom, I'll have to slow down that part and work on strengthening the top.
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: Jerry Norbury on October 08, 2011, 04:06 AM
How's this one looking now Chris?
Title: Re: "Urbandori" of unknown species
Post by: Sorce on April 05, 2014, 06:08 AM
How bout now? Any updates?  ;D