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Re: White Pine with all the right bones
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2014, 05:51 PM »
Yay!  Multiple comments of varied opinions.  This makes my day  ;D.  To clarify a few things, the lowest center pads were quite sparse as you can see in the "before" photo.  So, spreading them out to appear full and catch rays was the idea. 

I would have styled it in a different manner if it were my tree.  The goal here was to represent the styling choices of my teacher and I did so successfully. Also bear in mind that this was a restyle to make the tree look nice to sell it and that the static lines will soften as new flushes extend form the now greatly compacted form. 

If I had my druthers, I would have bridged the gap between the "before" look and something with structural solutions applied to the first and second most dominant trunks.  The layers would be more loose and some of the longer branches I kept to fill out the pads removed.  As John K said, this tree was styled for my teacher and isn't mine. 

The apex was completely wired to compact it and better match the rest of the tree.  I made it look that way so it didn't feel like a rigid line.  The main apex isn't full where I want it to be but now, the next three flushes of growth can be repositioned to achieve something better. 


Glad to know I'm not completely off my rocker (on this one at least)! Thanks for the additional info/explanation.

Chris
 

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Re: White Pine with all the right bones
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2014, 05:59 PM »
Don, it is here, look at page 3 of root connected white pine.

The first picture makes the tree look very immature, the second picture gives me the feeling of a tree in abstract. I like stylized trees, but if you want a more 'naturalistic' tree, come back in a year or two, remove the wire and then put key wire on to place specific branches where you want them.

Some people like Winslow Homer, some like Jackson Pollock or the cubists, trees are the same way.  
 

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Re: White Pine with all the right bones
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2014, 09:17 PM »
 

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Re: White Pine with all the right bones
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2014, 02:44 AM »
Owen
First I admire your great skill and knowledge of Bonsai. I'm an old fart but I wish I had your knowledge about Bonsai.  When I see this tree it makes me think of some of the old Japanese painting of country with Mount Fugi in the bake ground. I like the way you have let the branches pass in front of the trunk and I also like the flat bottoms on the pads.
 

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Re: White Pine with all the right bones
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2014, 10:41 AM »
I did not see the Fuji-san allusion with the "top half" of the tree with "actual tree" protruding to the right, but that is a nice interpretation. 

Attached is a 500 year old pine photo from an old temple in Ohara-shi made to look like Mt. Fuji.
 

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Re: White Pine with all the right bones
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2014, 10:45 AM »
And the base.
 

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Re: White Pine with all the right bones
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2014, 12:31 PM »
Owen, thanks, brings back good memories of the temples and big old trees that are well cared for on the grounds and surrounding area. And look at that, the foliage is cloud like........
 

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Re: White Pine with all the right bones
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2014, 02:22 AM »
Would there ever be any merit to the consideration of removing the lower middle pad?  The one that's blocking so much of the lowest parts of several of the trunks?

You could, part of the feeling of maturity would be lost and the branch would be very hard to "put back" if wanted in the future.  Another parameter of selling bonsai in Japan is leaving options when possible for clients to change the style if desired later.   
 

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Re: White Pine with all the right bones
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2014, 10:17 AM »
Would there ever be any merit to the consideration of removing the lower middle pad?  The one that's blocking so much of the lowest parts of several of the trunks?

You could, part of the feeling of maturity would be lost and the branch would be very hard to "put back" if wanted in the future.  Another parameter of selling bonsai in Japan is leaving options when possible for clients to change the style if desired later.   

Thanks for responding.  I wavered before posting whether there'd be any merit in it, and I have since I posted as well.  A big part of me would like to see the trunks, but the more I look at that pad, the more it seems to make sense where it is.
 

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Re: White Pine with all the right bones
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2014, 08:21 AM »
I like stylized trees, but if you want a more 'naturalistic' tree, come back in a year or two, remove the wire and then put key wire on to place specific branches where you want them.

I'd love to see it a year from now.  Hopefully, we can....   
 

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Re: White Pine with all the right bones
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2014, 12:22 PM »
Wayne,
I think in person the trunks would be more visible, as you move across the tree. It is interesting, we in the west always want to take off the low branches (me too), have to hold back some time sand let the tree do what it needs to do. John
 

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Re: White Pine with all the right bones
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2014, 02:13 PM »
Once I figured out what "time sand" was, I think you're right.  Taking the slower approach to lopping off important branches is usually wise, ...especially when you haven't spent much time around the tree.
 

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Re: White Pine with all the right bones
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2014, 04:35 PM »
Autocorrect............
 

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Re: White Pine with all the right bones
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2014, 05:27 PM »
Sweet tree Owen, better after your work.  I don't anyone would kick it off their benches.
 

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Re: White Pine with all the right bones
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2014, 07:32 PM »
This is for Owen
 Does a shore pine or lodgepole pine fall under the same care practise as a jwp, or is it closer to a jbp.
Thanks Owen