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Adair M

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Project tree purchased from Brussel's
« on: October 14, 2011, 12:46 AM »
Here's a little JWP I'm working on.  I really like the fact the graft scar is hardly noticeable.  I don't like the fact the first branch sticks straight out at you, even though it's been trained over to the left.  The nice taper at the bottom of the trunk is what attracted me to this tree.

 

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Re: Project tree purchased from Brussel's
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2011, 05:25 AM »
Nice!  Good features.

Concerning the "eye poker" first branch - if this has to be the front I would (if it was mine) remove it. BUT what is the other side like? If you could reverse it this branch might be useful for the new 'back'.

Want to show the other view?
 

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Re: Project tree purchased from Brussel's
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2011, 07:45 AM »
What does the tree look like turned 90 degrees clockwise? It looks like we are looking at the trees right side ( your. Left when you face it).
 

Adair M

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Re: Project tree purchased from Brussel's
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2011, 09:28 AM »
Here are more pics:
 

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Re: Project tree purchased from Brussel's
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2011, 10:02 AM »
Well, these little trees always have some compromises to be made (that is all little trees). Removing the unnecessary branches, like the one poking you in the eye, letting the lower branches grow to add scale, limiting the growth of the upper branches and getting a good angle on the branches that have been wired. For example, getting the lower branches to have a slight downward positioning, separating the secondary benches and giving the buds a slight upward position.

Can be a very nice little tree.
 

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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2011, 10:47 AM »
Thanks for your comments, John, I appreciate them.  Yeah, if it were a "perfect" tree, the grower in Japan would never have sold it to Brussel's in the first place.

The only reason I'm holding onto the first low branch on the left (the "eye poker") is the totally irrational concept that it may add a bit to the taper.  Of course, what's directly below it is the black pine stock, so it's going to fatten more than the white pine trunk, so that really is no defense of that argument!  I guess I'm suffering from the old "once you cut it off, you can't put it back on syndrome". 

I probably ought to take the small branch that's directly above it off, too, so that the first branch is the large one on the right.

There is no taper to speak of in the middle section of the tree, unfortunately.  I really ought to take off the continuation of the trunk just above the second large branch on the right.  The reason I haven't is it would make the apex "pointy", and JWPs look best with rounded apexes.  I know I can develop that with time...

Maybe next week I'll have time to do some more wiring.

John, I noticed you're in Arkansas?  My wife is from Mena, about 10 miles from Oklahoma.  In the 20 years we've been married, Mena has been hit with 2 bad tornados.  I hope you weren't affected.

Cheers!
 

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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2011, 02:19 PM »
What kind of price range are these imported trees in the US? Over here we pay around $250 for this size.
 

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Re: Project tree purchased from Brussel's
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2011, 03:41 PM »
Hey, I wouldn't chop too much off of this tree (is a common activity for some). You have a nice tree that needs to have its branches grown out. With creative wiring and branch placement, the issues that you raised can be easily concealed. My suggestion to select branches (at least the ones you will likely use) was so that you could get them positioned correctly and get them sized the way you like. Branches that will be used as sacrifices can be managed as needed. Nice tree, is ready to start working on.

We lived in Arkansas for a number of years, we moved to Connecticut this year and are getting settled. The Pines love it so far.

John
 

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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2011, 06:45 PM »
Hey, I was wondering - can't really see from the photo - but in the back view (photo 3 in your second post), is there a large chop scar at the big bend to the right? Or perhaps a number of branches coming out toward the viewer? I think I prefer the trunk line in your original photo. Think if you choose that view, those 2 lowest "eye-poking" branches would probably have to come off. I was playing around with that in photoshop and came up with a quick, rough "virt" (attached image). Removing them leaves a lot of trunk exposed, but it does have nice taper and a decent bend near the base. Maybe some foliage from the lowest branch could be brought in front of part of the trunk to break it up a bit?

Not sure about the apex, can't tell from the photo where branches originate. Might have to regrow the apex above the second branch on the right? Anyway, virt is very crude because I'm not really very good with photoshop...

Chris

 

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Re: Project tree purchased from Brussel's
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2011, 05:58 AM »
Chris,  Your photoshop talents are good. I'm liking this project tree a lot and would be very proud to have it. We will all enjoy the progressive development. Wish we had it here in UpstateNY for a closer look.
 

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Re: Project tree purchased from Brussel's
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2011, 08:52 AM »
Nice virts. Look at the little JWP at the top of the page (tree of the month), when designing canopies, look to see how you can make a canopy more like that. Of course, I am still in the stick figure phase of life........
 

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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2011, 09:24 AM »
I disagree, I would definitely NOT try to produce the tree that Chris made in his virt (sorry Chris). To me it looks nothing like a tree - it looks like an artificial bonsai.
 

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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2011, 10:32 AM »
That's OK Jerry...my intention was (is) not to produce a finished "virt" for someone to copy, but to see what a potential tree structure might look like with those lower left branches removed.

Chris
 

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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2011, 03:00 PM »
Ok, here's two more shots of the little pine.  One is at the chop where the first main branch to the right is.  As you can see, it's really three branches!  There's a project!

And, at the top of the second section of trunk, where the apex should start, the C continues on towards the right. But there a nice little apex that creates great taper that I would prefer to use.  But, if I chop the heavy back branch, it would create a hole in my current apex. 

By the way, I'm having difficulty getting my photos small enough!  I'm using an iphone 4, then reducing the size on my comptuer to the "smallest" setting, and I'm getting them rejected.  I found if I use a white background rather than black, it helps to create a smaller file.  Any suggestions would be helpful.

 

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Re: Project tree purchased from Brussel's
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2011, 01:05 AM »
By the way, I'm having difficulty getting my photos small enough!

You can reduce you photos easily with the free program Paint.Net' http://paint.net/ as well as do a lot of other Photoshop kind of stuff.