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What would you do to this Nursery Stock Japanese White Pine ?

Over the years Hard prune to above 1st node to get develop shohin tree.
3 (50%)
Prune above 2nd node and try to develop Bunjin style tree?
1 (16.7%)
Prune above 2nd node and see what happens.
1 (16.7%)
Burn tree
0 (0%)
Other
1 (16.7%)

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Bayezid

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Opinions for Styling Nursery Stock Pine for Newbie
« on: October 28, 2015, 09:23 PM »
Please feel free to discuss styling options for this tree.
Please also evaluate its potential.
I am interested in getting more experienced members opinion of what is good
or bad about this tree.
Thanks !
 

DorianJF

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Re: Opinions for Styling Nursery Stock Pine for Newbie
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2015, 04:28 AM »
Hey Bayezid

Nice potential there.

Here is my thoughts and it could be right off the mark as I have never worked with this type of tree.

I am not sure if one would be able to air layer it above the first node.  Should that be possible, you will still be able to create your Shohin as I believe there is potential there but then with the air-layered upper part, it could be a start of a bunjin.

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Owen Reich

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Re: Opinions for Styling Nursery Stock Pine for Newbie
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2015, 09:51 PM »
I'd make it a taller, subtle slant style.  But, I'm biased towards taller thin trunk bonsai.  There's also the time consideration given the taller design would be 10x faster.  A shohin is definitely possible.  It appears grafted, so needle size will be longer and more coarse.  I just checked the pics quickly. 
 

Adair M

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Re: Opinions for Styling Nursery Stock Pine for Newbie
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2015, 02:17 PM »
The thing is, you have the graft, then a fairly long section to the first whorl. The may be one small branch down lower, I can't really tell. But, there's no taper in that section. There is nice movement.

The next section has an even longer bare section of trunk. Still no taper.

To be perfectly honest, I would not choose this tree as stock material for bonsai. It might make a nice garden tree, but I'm afraid you will always be frustrated with tree.

Since you already have it, I would do what Brian Van Fleet told you in the other bonsai forum. JWP are slow growers, but this one seems rather vigorous, so you might be able to develop a pleasing shohin in a reasonable amount of time.

Doing that would solve the most glaring problem I see, the long internodes.

Good luck!
 

Bayezid

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Re: Opinions for Styling Nursery Stock Pine for Newbie
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2015, 03:46 PM »
I thought the future of the tree lay in the first whirl.
I thought that if the upper most branch grew, It could develop some taper
and might be a pleasing shohin. However, I didn't consider using the lowest branch
for the future leader.
Live and learn.
 

augustine

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Re: Opinions for Styling Nursery Stock Pine for Newbie
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2015, 09:42 AM »
I'm a person not anywhere as knowledgable as Owen and Adair but would sitill like to offer my two cents.

When I look at the first phote I see a tree with 3 groups of foliage, top, middle and bottom. Some of the "middle" could be used to create a bunjin style and the top could be kept as a sacrifice. You could also create a shohin bonsai and the foliage group above could be trimmed and again kept as a sacrifice.

However, if you go for shohin I would not drastically prune ans remove everything (above the lower portion) at once. Should be removed gradually to keep the tree vigorous. And of course nees to be repotted into a good well draining soil mix. Plenty of soil info on this forum. Barerooting half of the rootball, as advised by knowledgeable practitioners really works well.

Regardless of style you do not remove the lower branches, use them to help grow the base and lower trunk AND keep foilage above for sacrifice branches. (i.e. do not remove top or bottom branches, even if they will not be used on the final design, while the tree is in development.)

However the top of the tree (used as a sacrifice) will need to be thinned out to balance the strength of the foliage (pines are apically dominant) and open up the tree for light and air circulation.

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Augustine
 

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Re: Opinions for Styling Nursery Stock Pine for Newbie
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2015, 12:24 AM »
 ;D Cut above 1st LEFT branch(branch#2). Do this shortly before growth begins about Feb so strength will still be in roots stored for spring growth.  Use both remaining branches for final design and forget about shohin.  Grow bigger better tree. ;)
« Last Edit: November 13, 2015, 12:26 AM by Potawatomi13 »