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Elliott

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Re: Kokonoe White Pine
« Reply #30 on: August 04, 2012, 11:43 PM »
To cool! Chris, the way this tree is being handled is a step into the maturation and evolution of Bonsai in the US. To many times you go to a show and see a tree. with a name of a person next to it as the artist, when all that person did was maybe repot the tree after purchasing it last summer or the tree was worked on by that person's Bonsai instructor at their monthly class.
 When we start treating Bonsai like fine art (listing the owner and the artist side by side), we will really step up our game. We are getting more and more Japanese trained pro's coming around and we have to support them and not be ashamed to say "so n so is the artist, I just had the brains (and $) to hire them".
 Its great to develop your own skills as best as possible, but support the pro's who are trying to make a living also. Even most or the European artist's admit that we in North America have some of the best yamadori in the world and I'm real excited about the caliber of trees we are gonna be putting out in the next 20 years.
 

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Re: Kokonoe White Pine
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2012, 12:15 AM »
I guess something must have been deleted, but I am very clear as to who does the majority of work on this tree, it is a good friend Akio Kondo from Japan. This tree has special meaning to me, if to no one else, in that it was Mr Kamiya's tree and it was shown in Japan, and Mr. Kamiya was the teacher of Akio Kondo, Daisaku Nomoto and Boon (and one other person who I am not sure is still in  bonsai), a bonai family thing. In the Japanese tradition, these trees are worked on by professionals to make the most of their potential. I will pass this tree on in the future, hopefully to someone who can keep it healthy and strong and beautiful.

Adair, the tree is at Boon's.

John
 

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Re: Kokonoe White Pine
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2012, 01:05 AM »
I absolutely did not mean to say you were taking credit for the tree!! I meant that by saying who worked on the tree, you were doing what is done in Japan and will be done here in the west more and more as our Bonsai skills evolve to match that of Japan.
Thanks and I apologise of I insulted you when I meant to compliment and give credit. 
 

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Re: Kokonoe White Pine
« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2012, 07:02 AM »
This topic came up during my local study group yesterday, the notion of tree ownership.  It seems to me that it's often less about the tree and much more about the ego, which is unfortunate.  We would do much better if we had more ambassadors in American bonsai.  Instead we have a national organization that doesn't support a national exhibit, stagnation in many of the local clubs, and the "I know better" attitude.

We can support our local (and traveling) artists monetarily, if possible.  If money is short then a kind word and attentive audience goes a long way in showing our appreciation.

/rant
 
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Re: Kokonoe White Pine
« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2012, 09:30 PM »
Rant worthwhile, Matsu.
 

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Re: Kokonoe White Pine
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2012, 10:23 AM »
Fantastic tree. Artisans Cup in Portland next year?
 

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Re: Kokonoe White Pine
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2012, 01:00 PM »
I agree also, worthwhile rant.  I've been 'accessing' US talent by going to our annual show's 'bring your own tree' workshops.  Last yr I did one with Ryan Neil, and this coming weekend I'm doing 2 dys. with Peter Warren.  Referring to the "$3,000" thread, I'd learn much more over time by going to intensives, and one day I do hope to be able to do this, but for now, show workshops are where I can access our gifted artists (All gifted artists, not just US is what I mean by "our"). 
 

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« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2012, 09:57 AM »
In re-reading the post, I came upon the realization that the owner of the tree should not be diminished in their importance of a great bonsais development. 
Without the owner, there would be no forward progression. 
Without the owner, no professional artist would be advancing the tree toward it's culmination of completeness (as much as a tree is ever "finished").
Without the owner, to pick the correct path, and correct artist, the tree would never realize it's full potential. 

Seems like this is discounted when we think of owners, and artists as two separate entities in the process.
Just my 2centavos.

Oh, and this tree is amazing, but you know that already!
 
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Re: Kokonoe White Pine
« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2012, 01:58 PM »
Judy, thanks. The future for truly high end bonsai in the US will be multi-generational trees, whether imports or domestics, that have the time and care invested in them to make them truly great. doesn't mean that there aren't fantastic trees already, but the next level on a broader scale. We some of these already, the legacy trees of John Naka, as long as they are allowed to continue to develop and are not made into static displays, the well known Hatanaka Junipers and Pines that you see around the US, and some really interesting trees that are passed down from teacher to student or between friends or club members. I think Mike Hagedorn posted a lovely piece on a maple from a deceased friend in Portland (If I got that wrong, the deceased part, I apologize profusely!).

JMEK. Thanks, I am not sure that this tree will be ready for the Artisans cup. This tree may be ready by the fall of 14 for the National Exhibition in N Y. Don't get me wrong, if it is ready I would certainly propose that it be in Portland, however I don't think it will be full enough, remember it must be at least as good as it was when shown previously, when it is right it will be shown.
 

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« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2013, 08:43 AM »
So, another year has passed. The jins I did last year are starting to weather, Akio dewired and thinned a bit. The tree will rest until next spring when we will repot, I am still trying to find a show pot for this tree. It is in a relatively expensive Tokoname ware container (as Bill V would say), however I am looking for something a little softer and perhaps reddish/brownish. Will have to see what we can find. I don't want to change the dimensions significantly, I really don't want to do major root work to get in to the next pot when I will have to drive the tree cross country a couple of months later and then wire it in late summer to get ready for the 4th National Show in Rochester in September.
 

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Re: Kokonoe White Pine
« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2013, 09:58 AM »
Absolutely incredible, John. Thanks for sharing. I hope to get a chance to see the tree in person someday.

PS. It was great meeting you and Akio at John's place; many thanks for the wonderful advice and expertise.
 

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« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2013, 10:08 AM »
You didn't get any current pictures to share??? :-\
 

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Re: Kokonoe White Pine
« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2013, 11:19 AM »
I am going to California in a couple of weeks and will take some pictures. It is a little shaggy, good and strong.
 

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« Reply #43 on: October 13, 2013, 11:13 PM »
So, starting the pot search for this tree for next year in NY. This is a pot that Akio Kondo found in Japan. It is about 60 years old and was a commissioned (special order) pot that was a joint work stamped HARUMATU-RIYOKUJUAN TOUSUI. The tree is currently in a Tokoname 22+"x18"x51/2" Grey pot, the new Pot is 24+"x18"x6". Amazing how the shape of the pot affects your perception of size. We will see what it feels like when it arrives.
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Re: Kokonoe White Pine
« Reply #44 on: January 06, 2014, 12:05 PM »
I'd like to see this one again....