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Species Specific => White Pine Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: Owen Reich on October 04, 2015, 10:29 PM

Title: Kifu Size Kokonoe Restyle
Post by: Owen Reich on October 04, 2015, 10:29 PM
White pines are really a favorite to style for me.  This one has gone a while without a repot to slow it down.  It's so vigorous the roots are pushing it out of the pot. 

This was a structural reboot for sure.  Cut off a few large branches and thinned much of the middle of the tree.  Apologies for the lack of a backdrop.  When I'm on the clock, I'm on the clock.

One step closer to a potential National Exhibition entry.  Will get a good photo of it in a few weeks.

Title: Re: Kifu Size Kokonoe Restyle
Post by: DorianJF on October 05, 2015, 01:54 AM
Wow Owen.  That tree is a beast.  The thickness of the trunk is beautiful.

Really nice and I like.
Title: Re: Kifu Size Kokonoe Restyle
Post by: fredtruck on October 05, 2015, 05:29 PM
Very nice tree, Owen.
Title: Re: Kifu Size Kokonoe Restyle
Post by: Judy on October 06, 2015, 07:02 AM
Will be watching for more photos, would like to see all the angles and closeups!  Very nice Owen.
Title: Re: Kifu Size Kokonoe Restyle
Post by: Owen Reich on October 06, 2015, 07:46 AM
Thanks.  Will post more photos at the end of the month.  Looking now for the next container for this one as the stance of the tree feels very "grounded" from container edge up, and claustrophobic in the root zone.
Title: Re: Kifu Size Kokonoe Restyle
Post by: DorianJF on October 06, 2015, 08:26 AM
Looking forward to seeing how this progresses.
Title: Re: Kifu Size Kokonoe Restyle
Post by: Herman on October 09, 2015, 08:31 AM
" When I'm on the clock, I'm on the clock."

Time is money Boet ;D

Wow what a tree! really powerful, is it on its own roots or is it grafted to black pine stock?

Best regards
Herman
Title: Re: Kifu Size Kokonoe Restyle
Post by: bwaynef on October 09, 2015, 02:09 PM
Why'd you choose to style that lowest left branch so that it obscures the bend in the trunk? 
Title: Re: Kifu Size Kokonoe Restyle
Post by: Owen Reich on October 09, 2015, 11:04 PM
Good question Wayne.  If you look at the before photo, the tree feels very top-heavy.  This was a structural reboot, so branches were dropped low and shoots were spread out to allow more light to specific areas.  You can still see the first bend in person, but as my teacher's style and personal preferences tend to be more subtle, the big bend is partially obscured.  Shohin and kifu sized trees need low branches to anchor them to display tables that are often taller (box displays for example).  High branches make the trees look puffy and out of scale.

Title: Re: Kifu Size Kokonoe Restyle
Post by: Herman on October 16, 2015, 05:17 AM
?.... any reason only dorian is replying to my posts on study group? have i unknowingly offended someone?

best regards
Herman
Title: Re: Kifu Size Kokonoe Restyle
Post by: DorianJF on October 16, 2015, 09:08 AM
Hey Herman.

I am worried about this forum.  As much as I love to be on it, I feel that the posts are becoming less and less from everyone.
Title: Re: Kifu Size Kokonoe Restyle
Post by: Herman on October 16, 2015, 09:50 AM
maybe I'm still too small fryish for these guys....or maybe because we are South African. it's like only the members of the click gets responded to. if you have a question and your not part of the click you get ignored...

come-on people where's the days when mr Kirby helped me, Owen gave advice, almost all of the knowledgeable guys responded to my questions....nowadays it's like I'm chatting to the walls...

whats going on, am I not welcome here anymore? or should i stick to the small fry pool. do i ask "stupid questions"? wtf is going on

I'm not going to another forum, so if this is it this is it :)

regards
Herman
Title: Re: Kifu Size Kokonoe Restyle
Post by: DorianJF on October 16, 2015, 12:51 PM
I do not see it that way as being part of the click or being South African.  Come on, we are loved by everyone....  ;D ;D ;D

I understand why certain people keep their responses limited as it could affect their ultimate business which is bonsai, but over the last few weeks, it is like the forum has died.

I wonder if there is another reason behind this?

Anyway I will continue to monitor the forum and add every now and then.
Title: Re: Kifu Size Kokonoe Restyle
Post by: Owen Reich on October 16, 2015, 07:01 PM
Apologies for the lack of response.  That white pine is to my knowledge not grafted.  I didn't know off hand, and didn't respond.

This forum survives based on posts.  If nobody posts, nobody responds.  People from South Africa matter  :). 

Title: Re: Kifu Size Kokonoe Restyle
Post by: DorianJF on October 19, 2015, 02:52 AM
Thanks Owen.

Glad the Saffas matter.  I think its time you put us on your schedule and come visit.
Title: Re: Kifu Size Kokonoe Restyle
Post by: Herman on October 19, 2015, 03:11 AM
The thing is I didn't only ask that question to get an answer, it was to generate conversation, which is one thing that i think this forum should work towards, I have to apologize to you Owen, I think frustration got the better of me and I kinda let go a little bit. I know you are extremely busy, thank you for your patient reply.

sincerely
Herman
Title: Re: Kifu Size Kokonoe Restyle
Post by: Owen Reich on October 19, 2015, 05:43 PM
It's interesting you mention conversation generation.  If you look back at threads that Yenling would comment on a year or so ago, the questions he posed were open-ended and meant to get a a deeper issue.  

Seems like the best way to generate conversation nowadays is to start some drama  :o.  This site often been quite tranquil.  If you want more conversations, I'd suggest Facebook; the place to check the pulse of bonsai daily.  

This forum is a reservoir of information, and many of the frequent posters provide definitive answers or links to those resources.  Thus ending the conversation at times.  Some aggressively defend their friends which can generate the feeling of cliques on the forum here; driving some users away.  There are no cliques here unless almost everyone is in it.

You can make this whatever you want it to be.  Personally, I'd like some photos posted of the inspirational trees of South Africa.

So, the new challenge could be that those willing to post do not give up and increase their post count of their projects.  It appears that many people here are not beginners, so beginner matters to not pique interests.   

Just my opinions as a member here.

Title: Re: Kifu Size Kokonoe Restyle
Post by: Herman on October 20, 2015, 05:16 AM
It's interesting you mention conversation generation.  If you look back at threads that Yenling would comment on a year or so ago, the questions he posed were open-ended and meant to get a a deeper issue.  

Seems like the best way to generate conversation nowadays is to start some drama  :o.  This site often been quite tranquil.  If you want more conversations, I'd suggest Facebook; the place to check the pulse of bonsai daily.  

This forum is a reservoir of information, and many of the frequent posters provide definitive answers or links to those resources.  Thus ending the conversation at times.  Some aggressively defend their friends which can generate the feeling of cliques on the forum here; driving some users away.  There are no cliques here unless almost everyone is in it.

You can make this whatever you want it to be.  Personally, I'd like some photos posted of the inspirational trees of South Africa.

So, the new challenge could be that those willing to post do not give up and increase their post count of their projects.  It appears that many people here are not beginners, so beginner matters to not pique interests.   

Just my opinions as a member here.


o wei Owen... I really did not expect this from you

so in other words, my questions aren't good enough, you told me off by saying i have to post pictures of SA trees or get lost by joining another forum(facebook) and my posts do not generate interest because I'm a beginner?

wow okay

so how do i not give up if my stuff is viewed as beginner and does not pique interest and does not get commented on, why would I post pictures of South African trees if it would not attract posts?

thats one heluva opinion, I'm sorry for apologizing and for it not being accepted,

this is it for me then

sayunara
Title: Re: Kifu Size Kokonoe Restyle
Post by: DorianJF on October 20, 2015, 06:55 AM


o wei Owen... I really did not expect this from you

so in other words, my questions aren't good enough, you told me off by saying i have to post pictures of SA trees or get lost by joining another forum(facebook) and my posts do not generate interest because I'm a beginner?

wow okay

so how do i not give up if my stuff is viewed as beginner and does not pique interest and does not get commented on, why would I post pictures of South African trees if it would not attract posts?

thats one heluva opinion, I'm sorry for apologizing and for it not being accepted,

this is it for me then

sayunara

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I personally did not read Owen's message the way you did Herman.  I see it as some one adding their view on what was raised and giving suggestions.

But then that is me...

So I will continue to post on this forum and hope to get feedback and hopefully get more people involved.

Really sorry for hijacking your thread Owen.

Like I said earlier in the thread.  Love the tree. 
Title: Re: Kifu Size Kokonoe Restyle
Post by: Owen Reich on October 20, 2015, 10:26 AM
That was not my intent at all.  I merely stated that this forum seems to cater to certain types of questions.  If you read earlier in the thread, I was supportive and optimistic.  There was no ultimatum.  A suggestion was made to prompt more responses.

Again, this forum is what you make of it.  

Think what you like.  I've been nothing but supportive here.