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Chrisl

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Re: JWP1
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2013, 08:16 AM »
Well now I know why the few JWP on wp stock is SO expensive. 
 

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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2013, 09:54 AM »
I think it's also difficult to find (on own roots), as I hear that they are finicky as far as conditions.  I think they tolerate heat far less well than grafted trees.  I don't think it would thrive here where I live.
Thanks for finding the issue date for me, now I just have to find one!
 

Dan W.

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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2013, 10:58 AM »
Even the white pines in the mountains here can take well over 30 years to even start getting rough bark. And that's in extreme conditions! I don't know if the grafting speeds this process up at all?

I'll start another thread covering bark development on my big limber to show just how long it can take.
 

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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2013, 01:38 PM »
I have two big Japanese White Pines on their own roots, one a Kokonoe that started as a graft on JBP that ground layered and the other is a seedling 11 trunk raft. You really have to watch them on their own roots, but the are beautiful. One of the prime reasons to graft them is that they grow so much faster on JBP roots and you can get the Yatsubusa and short needle charaters that so many people prefer.
 

Dan W.

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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2013, 04:51 PM »
I have two cutting grown Zuisho JWP's. They are delicate, but I'm really excited to watch them develop... over the next 30-40 years...lol
 

Dan W.

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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2013, 06:51 PM »
John that Kokonoe is one of my favorite's of yours! I'm not sure if I've seen the raft though?
 

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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2013, 03:01 PM »
Here is an update on this tree, after thinning and wiring.  I'm pretty happy with the results, there were a lot of extra shoots, so I should see some backbudding. This tree seems very healthy as well. 

I know that one tuft at the apex looks odd on the first pic, but I adjusted it after I saw it...
current front, maybe a better new angle?,  side

 

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« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2013, 03:03 PM »
back, other side, top...
Anybody see anything that is bothersome?  I'm happy to have input.
 

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« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2013, 08:10 AM »
Hey Judy.

   The second front w/fixed tuft and little angle exposes the trunkline more, I like that.

But then, id like to see it tilted about 30 degrees right, about till the black wire is vertical.

I think that will give it even more movement, a more dramatic statement.

Any more up/down movement in the lowest branches  would complete what I'm seeing.

I just watched this again on YouTube.Korean bonsai master Seok Ju Kim -YouTube. Bonsai focus.
Master Kim quotes a Japanese Master who said something to the tune of, Europeans(Americans) are too kind to their trees so they will never achieve what Asian artists achieve.

So I say. Give it hell, and it will reward you!   not everyone can do this. But your work says you can!





 

Chrisl

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« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2013, 12:32 PM »
Judy, I really like this white pine.  But one thought, can you add some movement into that l. dropping branch?  Seems like it's small enough to bend with a basic branch bender?  Thanks for the update!
 

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« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2013, 01:29 PM »
I do not have confidence that I can bend that branch, perhaps if I can get Owen back over, we can talk about that.
I too would like to see at least a bit of a bend.  
As far as tipping, I think it actually gives less movement, as it makes the trunk more upright.  Here is a pic that I took of that angle before the work was done.
Thanks for the input, always helpful!
 

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« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2014, 01:56 PM »
If it were my tree, I think I would try to add more empty space on the interior of the trunk's curve - unless your plan is to create a solid green dome over the trunk.  Maybe that would mean removing the lower left branch and wiring the branch directly above it down. 
 

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« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2014, 02:21 PM »
mcpsq,
the primary problem with removing that branch would be that the graft area would become quite exposed.  Which as you know with some of these trees can be not so pretty.  I think I like the idea of more empty space, but I don't know that removing that particular branch is the way to do it.  I'll take a look with your idea in mind, and see what can be removed in a pleasing way. 

I'm also hoping that you looked at the pics from reply 21 not the one in the post above your comment... That pic was taken before much work was done this year.
 

mcpesq817

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Re: JWP1
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2014, 02:29 PM »
Yep, looked at all your pics.  In reply 21, the third pic sorta shows what I'm talking about.  I know that's not your front with the main branch moving towards the opposite side, but I think you can see how the empty space improves the look of the tree.
 

mcpesq817

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« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2014, 02:37 PM »
What about pic 2 of reply 22 as your front?  You could keep that main branch, just angle it up a bit, and move the foliage at the top to hide the graft area?  That would accentuate the curve of the trunk, particularly by increasing the white space right off the curve.

It's always hard to give opinions on a 2D image of a tree.  Plus, I tend to like my trees with more open spaces, and less of the green helmet look.  For me, that primary branch on the left seems a bit awkward, unless ultimately you're planning to cut it back to interior branches and create a curvier primary branch.