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GBHunter

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I got a whit pine!
« on: September 06, 2014, 05:57 AM »
I thi k it is a good specimen,  I see a few ideas for it already. The top will be cut off ompleatly this year and transplanted next year.
this is a pinus parvivola AOI. Tell me what you guys think.
 

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Re: I got a whit pine!
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2014, 07:16 AM »
These little guys have great foliage and can grow very slowly. Before you cut anything, I would suggest finding the graft and seeing what that looks like. In the trade these will either be grafted on to parviflora or another Five needle like strobus. You will have to remove the tree from the pot and take off soul until you find the nebari and the graft union. Nice tree.
 

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Re: I got a whit pine!
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2014, 07:59 AM »
I can see the graft above the soil. I intend to make the graph face the rear. I will post more pics taday from different sides.
 

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Re: I got a whit pine!
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2014, 09:43 AM »
This is currently the prevailg idea.
 

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Re: I got a whit pine!
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2014, 12:12 PM »
Yeah, we got that.

Look at the trunk you'll have left. Is that going to be thick enough?  Because once you chop it, and start refining it, the trunk won't thicken any more.

If you want more trunk girth, leave the sacrifice trunk on, and start working the bottom like you want it. You can remove the sacrifice later.
 

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Re: I got a whit pine!
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2014, 08:31 PM »
Im in a bad spot. As I waS looking at the tree the trunk snapped in that spot :(
It waS not a complete break so I wrapped it with raffia and added a metal rod. I do not like large trees I prefer small ones. But I still can believe what a useless, skillless incompetent #=%/=÷ moron I am, no wonder I cant do bonsai im too stupid. The apex of that tree will die, but ofcourse I.will not know it till months later.and by that time the tree will be so messed up that it will have one option and thats to throw the ÷$#=% $ away only to buy a newone and through my 2 brain cell mind screw it up to. I swear people like me should not reprduce.
 

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Re: I got a whit pine!
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2014, 10:52 PM »
Oh, no!!!

I agree, JWP are more "delicate" than blacks. Reds are even worse.

If it really snapped, I doubt it will heal.
 

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Re: I got a whit pine!
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2014, 11:32 PM »
I might have to  settle for a smaller tree. I screwed the pooch on this. But its my incompetence that is responsible. If this is something tha t cannot be remedied,  then im giving up on the bonsai thing. I am so angry with myself,  I wish I could beat myself up to a bloody pulp! My incompetence is only overshadowed by my moronic nature! I hate being me!
is Pinus Parviviflora Glauca a better subject than AOI? I hate myself for this! My incompetence is immeasurable.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2014, 12:00 AM by GBHunter »
 

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Re: I got a whit pine!
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2014, 12:36 AM »
Don't be so hard on yourself. "Stuff" happens, that is why we call them accidents.

Wait until you kill a really expensive tree, then you will be "in the club". You can tell who the other members are by their forlorn faces, sunken shoulders and eyes, and that look that says we are just this side of killing ourselves.

We all had done bone head things that resulted in disasters. You learned the lesson, JWP are not as flexible as JBP.

So what ever is left on the trunk is your new tree. A design opportunity.

Hopefully the break was above the graft. A word of caution for the future, the graft union will always be a weak point. Don't wire across the graft union (except maybe to anchor the wire), don't ever try to put a bend on a section of trunk with a graft union. The graft union will break if you flex it. It may take up to 10 years for a graft union to fully fuse - and even then it won't be as strong as normal wood.  Just a note of caution.
 

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Re: I got a whit pine!
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2014, 05:34 AM »
Its way above the graft union. It will have to be a much smaler tree. The break is on the red line in the photo.
 

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Re: I got a whit pine!
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2014, 07:11 AM »
If it's at the red line, you were going to chop it there, anyway eventually.

No harm done!
 

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Re: I got a whit pine!
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2014, 07:59 AM »
Also it was not a clean break some of the branch is sstill attached so I will remain hopeful
 

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Re: I got a whit pine!
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2014, 02:42 PM »
I am hard on myself because im nuts, something to do with my iq acording to the dr. Anyway to the bedrock of my post is Pinus Parviviflora Glauca 
Is a nice pine to work with. For the first time white pines are available in this area at a normal cost and size. The local areas usualy sell huge landscape trees for thousands. The one white pine bonsai I saw was already designed and 899$.
So I M exited when I can get some small white pines.

 Also sorry for so much posts, i just have many questions.
 

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Re: I got a whit pine!
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2014, 05:54 PM »
Pinus parvifolia 'glauca' is a good cultivar for bonsai. It is not a yatsubusa variety, meaning it will be stingy with back budding, so you need to cherish and maintain as many back buds as you can until you are certain they won't be needed for a future design. If you do not keep this in mind, you can end  up with a tall stick with very few branches. The color is good blue green. The needles average from a little shorter than the type species to about the same size as the type species. Depending on the grafting root stock, this tree should be hardy in your climate. As far as Japanese white pines go, this is a pretty ok cultivar. It should grow well, it can grow over 6 inches a year. Some of the dwarfs and miniatures grow so slowly that they are hard to use for bonsai - because they simply grow enough to have anything to work with. So you got a good one to learn on.
 

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Re: I got a whit pine!
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2014, 07:13 PM »
It is getting clder here but not that cold yet. However my white pine is getting yellowish needles s this normal I will post a picture tomorrow. Thanks