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Growing JWP from seed??

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Kajukid:
Has anyone done this? And can you grow them with the same process As a JBP??

John Kirby:
Yes, and,  No. They grow much more slowly than JBP and are much less vigorous, especially in warm climates. This is why most of the commercially reared JWP are grafts, for speed of growth, hardiness in a landscape,  as well as for the unique foliage and growth attributes of specific witches brooms or individual trees. Some, like zuisho, can be started from cuttings and/or air layers from larger trees.

Jerry Norbury:
I say avoid even trying to grow from seed - regardless of the species.
Unless you really know what you are doing, it is a difficult and will not get you learning real bonsai techniques for years. A waste of time.

Alain Bertrand:

--- Quote from: Jerry Norbury on October 02, 2011, 02:12 PM ---Unless you really know what you are doing, it is a difficult and will not get you learning real bonsai techniques for years.
--- End quote ---
I agree.

--- Quote --- A waste of time.

--- End quote ---
Let me disagree.  It is very rewarding. If you browse further here, you'll see quite a few nice trees that members of this forum grown from seed. In ten years, dedicated people without previous experience can grow good material to work on, material that would cost at least a few hundred euros.

tanlu:
I agree with Alain. It's definitely not for the impatient, but is worth the effort and a whole new way of appreciating bonsai. All my JWP are from seed, and this year I sprouted over 20 JWP from seeds imported from Japan and from seeds I collected from JWP growing in my yard. The ones that were imported all sprouted this spring, but died after a few months because I accidentally left them overexposed to direct sunlight. Next time I'll know better to leave them in full shade when I'm out of town. I still have one seedling left that sprouted the previous year. It's doing very well, and its candles are already swelling in prep for next spring's explosion of growth.

Although many bonsaiists want to preserve the genetic uniqueness of certain cultivars, I find the genetic diversity amongst JWP seedlings fun and fascinating. I have 4 JWP seedlings I purchased from Julian Adams, and 2 of them have roughly 3 more years to go before they can be planted in a bonsai pot for shohin. One of them has a distinctly short silver-blue needles, while another one has even shorter emerald needles. Some seedlings are more vigorous than others. If you take the correct measures, you can have pretty decent JWP bonsai in 10 to 12 years from seed (not that long in bonsai time). I have a 9 y/o with already a 1.5" trunk and flaking bark. It was root bound then I purchased it in it's tiny 5" nursery pot. If it had been grown in a colander from age 4, I believe it would have been ready for a bonsai pot by now.

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