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John Kirby

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Re: eastern white pine, are they really as bad as everyone says?
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2011, 08:11 AM »
Good for you Alain, I have inadvertently done the same with a couple of JBP this year, late frost, allowed buds to elongate, etc. I strongly suggest that folks look at tree health, climate you live in, etc, before trying on a mature tree.
 

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Re: eastern white pine, are they really as bad as everyone says?
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2012, 11:10 PM »
everyone said that they rarely bud-back, have very long internodes and the needles do not reduce.

Not entirely true... they will bud back a bit if grown in a very coarse soil, and the needles will reduce a bit as ramification increases. The tree below is only about 16" tall from the lip of the pot, so that can give you an idea of what you can expect (not my tree, its a friends).

Finding a good strobus is harder than finding a good jack pine. The bark takes a long time to develop but if you know where to get some old stunted trees, go for it. If you have the ABS book North American Bonsai, there is a nice one in there with some info.
 

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Re: eastern white pine, are they really as bad as everyone says?
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2012, 12:44 PM »
I have been struggling with P. strobus for 15 years or so.  The comment is right, if the first 1/3 of the trunk is interesting, go ahead and collect it. When they are good, they are pretty darn good. More often than not, they will be a disappointment , but you won't know if you don't try. Do try it.

I found strobus to be very difficult to get them to grow in the shapes I want them to. If the central leader is intact, they tend to be simple bean pole, with branches coming out at the whorls like the spokes of a wheel. If you remove the central leader, and then in fall, remove the fat terminal buds, the growth pattern becomes rather random, almost like an oak or other deciduous tree. Branches tend to come out at odd angles. Complete disbudding in fall does force some back buds, but not uniform enough to be satisfactory. Not very pine like in the end. It never buds back where you want it to. It will bud back, though very rarely on wood older than 5 years. I have gotten reverse taper a couple times, at the hub of the 'wheel spokes', and then you need to carefully plan sacrifice branches to correct the reverse taper. Basically, strobus is much more difficult, less responsive to technique than JWP.

But I do like the fact that I can leave strobus on top of my bench in winter until I hear the temps are going below 0 F, or below - 15 C, and the trees do just fine. Really, in zone 4 or warmer all you have to do is set the tree in the shade for January through to time the ground thaws.

My tree is probably 25 to 35 years from seed, it has only just barely begun to develop bark scales on the first couple inches of trunk. So smooth bark is pretty much a permanent condition for these trees, unless you collect an old one.

I will keep working on the 1 that I first styled 15 years ago. I won't add any additional. The others that I collected back in 1997 that I haven't done much to, I will eventually use as under stock for JWP, once I find a JWP cultivar that I really want to propagate.

 

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Re: eastern white pine, are they really as bad as everyone says?
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2013, 06:23 PM »
Does any one know of any short needle pines that grow in my hot climate? JWP's and JBP's supposedly will die because the winters aren't cold enough and the main native pine I have is the longleaf which has been used but isn't very impressive as the needles are about 5" long.
 

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Re: eastern white pine, are they really as bad as everyone says?
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2013, 08:00 PM »
I'd be surprised if JBP wouldn't grow well for you.  Charleston SC?
 

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Re: eastern white pine, are they really as bad as everyone says?
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2013, 09:00 PM »
Try Pinus echinata.  Short-needle pine.  Had a few collected ones in Georgia.  They should perform well in SC.
 

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Re: eastern white pine, are they really as bad as everyone says?
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2013, 09:24 AM »
Charleston,

Do you have native Virginia pines in your area? Maybe an option if it occurs naturally.

A fellow club member collected a witches broom with short needles and grafted it onto JBP root stock. He then grew a bunch of seedlings from it's seeds, claims the needles are short. I have one and am growing it. Also, have three in the ground that were collected from an area in which they were mowed over repeatedly.

I snipped a candle of one branch to see what it would do. Grew back strongly. I've read that the trunks tend to stay thin? However they are strong growers and easy to care for.

Best,

Augustine
 

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Re: eastern white pine, are they really as bad as everyone says?
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2013, 12:33 PM »
  Just posted a picture of my Eastern White Pine on the native pine species thread. Nature did all of the work so far.
 

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Re: eastern white pine, are they really as bad as everyone says?
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2013, 02:41 PM »
  Thank you Dan.
 

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Re: eastern white pine, are they really as bad as everyone says?
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2014, 12:07 AM »
I have one of these lying around that I bought when I first got into bonsai and was told that they suck as bonsai so I'd like to see some more on this.

Well then, i have good news.

After 3 years this tree finally came out of the ground. No tap-root. Small rootball. We got most of it though. My old man helped, mostly with the swearing.

Im not sure how the tree was even living where it was, it had so few roots. We cut only three roots worth mentioning, only one needed the saw. The other two got chopped with the shovel before we even noticed, they were only 1/4".

Since it's the fall we just threw her in the ground, it'll be less worry come winter. It's not a tree moving from a tiny rock pocket high in the mountains of Colorado being planted at sea level, its a tree moving about a mile east. Hopefully planting it in the ground won't come back to haunt me, we'll see.

Wait until you guys see this tree...
Ill be able to post pictures tomorrow afternoon. 5" trunk, covered in ancient bark. This tree was better then i remembered.
I'll just post a new thread.