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Judy

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Re: My "Peter Tea" white pine
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2014, 10:51 AM »
Thanks Adair for the additional info, I do understand, as mine also have flaws, just have to do the best to minimize... And pictures are never like seeing the actual tree, so it's difficult to interpret the flow from a photo.
I am interested to see what Boon has to say, please post any pictures after.
 

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Re: My "Peter Tea" white pine
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2014, 03:17 AM »
Hi Adair,

Is there any way to thicken the white pine trunk , ie the section of trunk above the thick black pine understock?

this will do a lot for the tree if it can be done.

will grafting vigorous black pine shoots at key locations and using them as sacrifice branches not work?
this is a long shot idea lol

What would your solution be, if you would have seen it as a problem?

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Re: My "Peter Tea" white pine
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2014, 06:31 AM »
Herman, you do have a creative mind!

I'm afraid that if you did do something like that, the black pine lower trunk would get even larger.

The best we can do is position a branch to hide the graft union a bit. This one is getting old enough so that the white pine trunk is beginning to lose the smooth grey texture and develop flakey bark.

It is what it is.
 

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Re: My "Peter Tea" white pine
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2014, 02:14 AM »
yes you are right, and at the rate white pine thickens it will never catch up, interesting.

 ;D i do get ahead of myself sometimes hehehe

I looked at the last photo you posted of it, and it looks like that first right branch will be able to do the trick of hiding the thickness of the understock enough to make the upper white pine trunk look more in proportion

will be impressive when it fills out.

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Re: My "Peter Tea" white pine
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2014, 08:27 AM »
Any update on this? what was Boon's comments on this tree?

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Re: My "Peter Tea" white pine
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2014, 09:04 AM »
Actually, I have a problem with this tree!  The apex has died. Physical damage.

When I bought it, I saw the break, and applied cut paste, but it didn't help.

I don't know how it happened, exactly. I don't know if it broke when Peter wired it, or if it broke during shipping from California. There is a lot of wire right at that spot, and some of Peter's cut paste. So I know he did some damage. Was it further damaged in shipment?  I don't know. There was also a minor branch that died. Not a big deal on that.

It has survived my repotting well, other than those issues. Those weren't due to my repot. Although I thought I was pretty radical on the repot, Boon says it needed a "half bare root" repot! I guess I'll do that this year. When I potted it up, I found three layers of old screening where, in the past, whoever repotted it hadn't worked the bottom, they had just lifted the tree out of the old pot, and plunked in the new pot, screen and all! 

So, assuming it had been slip potted every 3 years, I removed about 10 years worth of  pot bound roots!

I'm sad I've lost the apex. I'll just have to figure out how to reposition the other upper branches and let another one grow in. Might have to graft one.

I'll go out and take a picture.   :(

 

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Re: My "Peter Tea" white pine
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2014, 09:15 AM »
O WEI!

I feel for you Mr Adair! I know how shiddy it feels when something like this happens to one's trees...is it beyond saving for bonsai? or will you be able to push the tree into a new direction?

I'll wait for the pic, I guess

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Re: My "Peter Tea" white pine
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2014, 10:18 AM »
Actually, I have a problem with this tree!  The apex has died. Physical damage.

When I bought it, I saw the break, and applied cut paste, but it didn't help.

I don't know how it happened, exactly. I don't know if it broke when Peter wired it, or if it broke during shipping from California. There is a lot of wire right at that spot, and some of Peter's cut paste. So I know he did some damage. Was it further damaged in shipment?  I don't know. There was also a minor branch that died. Not a big deal on that.

It has survived my repotting well, other than those issues. Those weren't due to my repot. Although I thought I was pretty radical on the repot, Boon says it needed a "half bare root" repot! I guess I'll do that this year. When I potted it up, I found three layers of old screening where, in the past, whoever repotted it hadn't worked the bottom, they had just lifted the tree out of the old pot, and plunked in the new pot, screen and all! 

So, assuming it had been slip potted every 3 years, I removed about 10 years worth of  pot bound roots!

I'm sad I've lost the apex. I'll just have to figure out how to reposition the other upper branches and let another one grow in. Might have to graft one.

I'll go out and take a picture.   :(



So sorry for ya Adair!!  Though, it might be not terrible in the end if it makes the tree a bit shorter.  Fingers crossed for you!
Chris
 

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Re: My "Peter Tea" white pine
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2014, 10:28 AM »
Here's the tree from above.  I'll take a side shot when I have a chance to set up a decent background.
 

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Re: My "Peter Tea" white pine
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2014, 04:50 AM »
Adair.

  In all kindness, F that apex. I think it was a bit lanky anyway.

2 growing seasons. You will have a much better tree IMO.

Definitely a blessing in disguise.

Sorce
 

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Re: My "Peter Tea" white pine
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2014, 06:12 AM »
Hi Mr Adair,

I've stared at the first photo you've posted of this tree long and hard, I don't think you now have a shorter apex,in other words I don't think if you wired a branch up as a new leader/apex that you will save on height so that the pine could look shorter, grafting on the other hand will do the trick. and as Sorce stated, it will look a lot more powerful with a shorter apex, just to grow the side branches out more to make a wider more masculine silhouette to match that beast of a trunk and hide the graft union

still a damn nice tree :) and it could've been worse, luckily just a part of the apex died...

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Herman