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John Kirby

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2014, 11:00 PM »
The problem isn't movement. The problem lies in the lack of taper. So, the way to make the trunk work is by styling the tree to conceal parts of the trunk. You have done a nice styling, hidden by bad photography (must be the clinkers). Your friend's pictures show a much more interesting tree. Particularly the top down shot.


Adair is right. Your anchoring technique, well, is just bad. You can hook a wire through the drain hole, bring it over and hook to the other side of the drain hole, then tie down to that. Your present techniques is a noble one, yet still a fail. You have done a very nice first styling of the tree. Now it needs to grow.
 

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2014, 01:36 AM »
The problem isn't movement. The problem lies in the lack of taper.

Yes it is the lack of movement.
Yes it is the lack of taper.
AND it is that this tree is nothing more than a stack of bar branches.

Unless one has a ton of money, these are problems I think one has to learn how to deal with. It will be very hard, if not impossible, to change these characteristics of this tree.

SO, the challenge with this tree is how to disguise these (rather serious) faults. Unfortunately, Herman, all your good work did the opposite - it emphasized these faults, rather than minimized them, in my opinion.

Take a look at Andy Rutledge's 'Artistic Foundations of Bonsa' web book and also at Pavel Slovak's work. Pavel shows in photo sequences how he goes from what looks like junk to create gorgeous trees by disguising the faults and emphasizing the strong points. He may not be the best there is, but his photo album the best display of the process that I know. It is helping me a lot with similar bonsai challenges and (possibly) overcoming my personal artistic shortcomings.
 

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2014, 03:59 AM »

Unless one has a ton of money, these are problems I think one has to learn how to deal with. It will be very hard, if not impossible, to change these characteristics of this tree.

SO, the challenge with this tree is how to disguise these (rather serious) faults. Unfortunately, Herman, all your good work did the opposite - it emphasized these faults, rather than minimized them, in my opinion.


Hell, you are serious :)

Thanks for taking the time to post a comment though.

You must realize that the branches on that whorl are very thick and stiff, to have bent them to different levels in one sitting would've surely caused some damage, they will end up on different levels in time. Secondly the tree is very bare and will need grafting in the future to fill up the empty spaces on the trunk(which will hide those damn awful bar branches). Because this is such bad material, "junk" as you put it,it looks fine to me :) and all of us are still learning, aren't we? no matter how experienced we are.

BTW Pavel is brilliant, I am familiar with his work. But he works with top notch yamadori he collects himself. I doubt he would collect "junk" in his own eyes.

Thanks for the links, they will prove useful in future tree styling endeavors.

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Herman
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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2014, 04:22 AM »
The problem isn't movement. The problem lies in the lack of taper. So, the way to make the trunk work is by styling the tree to conceal parts of the trunk. You have done a nice styling, hidden by bad photography (must be the clinkers). Your friend's pictures show a much more interesting tree. Particularly the top down shot.


Adair is right. Your anchoring technique, well, is just bad. You can hook a wire through the drain hole, bring it over and hook to the other side of the drain hole, then tie down to that. Your present techniques is a noble one, yet still a fail. You have done a very nice first styling of the tree. Now it needs to grow.

Hello Mr Kirby,

eh I apologize for the bad photography...my bad

unfortunately these trees are what they are, and they are the best white pine material we can get our hands on. Lol knew I was going to get flack from the experts about my anchoring techniques, I'll make a better plan next time I assault this tree. Thanks for taking the time to reply and the encouragement. this tree will rest for a long time now, until it's time to repot, we will repot both this white pine and mine next spring

kind regards
Herman
« Last Edit: July 17, 2014, 04:49 AM by Herman »
 

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2014, 05:08 PM »
My point is, hide the lack of taper with foliage over time. It will be just fine.
 

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2014, 03:15 AM »
My point is, hide the lack of taper with foliage over time. It will be just fine.

Got that Mr Kirby ;D, was my plan also before posting the tree here. thanks

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2014, 08:15 AM »
How is your tree doing Joe? has it started pushing candles? all my pines are still very dormant

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2014, 09:29 AM »
Hi Herman,

White Pine is doing well but still dormant ,one thing I noticed  on it is two weeks ago I did some carving on it and it was completely dry I noticed last this week that there is risen starting to drip  from the carving . so it shouldn't be too long now  ;)
The Black Pines are ahead and already have some nice candles :D


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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2014, 02:07 PM »
Wow i wish I could create trees like this, I think its wondrful.