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Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« on: July 14, 2014, 06:10 AM »
Hi Guys :),

a friend of mine arranged with me to give one of his white pines it's first styling. He pitched up Saturday morning and I started working on it...took me 6 hours to thin, wire out to the ends and style this tree

The tree surprised both of us by turning out a lot better than anticipated

any comments/questions welcome

will post pics in the following post

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2014, 06:12 AM »
Before and after

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2014, 08:31 AM »
In the after pic, it looks very 2-Dimensional.  Have any pictures from the sides?
 

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2014, 08:48 AM »
In the after pic, it looks very 2-Dimensional.  Have any pictures from the sides?

I will have to ask Joe to take pictures from the sides and back, and post them on this thread. Any thoughts on why it comes across as two dimensional to you Wayne?

The tree is short a back branch in the top half of the tree, it looked like there grew a few at some point that never reached any size( the little dried up stumps were half the thickness of a pencil). He is going to try and graft the tree there to make the back look fuller from the sides.

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2014, 05:30 AM »
no one else going to chime in?
 

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2014, 09:23 AM »
In the after pic, it looks very 2-Dimensional.  Have any pictures from the sides?
Any thoughts on why it comes across as two dimensional to you Wayne?
I don't notice many back branches, and the side branches don't seem to have much depth either.  Am I wrong?
 

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2014, 10:52 AM »
Hi Wayne,

thanks for the reply.

it has only one distinguishable back branch in the second whorl up from soil level. "And the side branches don't seem to have much depth either.  Am I wrong?"  Lol Wayne if you see no depth in the side branches in the  photo, then you see no depth...eyes do not lie to us often. though I'm not exactly sure what you mean by no depth to the side branches.Are you of opinion that I should have wired them into more fan shaped pads so they would seem to be wider and give more of a 3d effect?

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2014, 02:03 PM »
Can you post a picture of the tree turned 90° from the front?
 

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2014, 02:22 PM »
Herman,

The second level of branches, seems to have three branches, one of which is pointing at us in the front...

Is it possible the view would be better from the other side?  That is, are looking at the back of the tree?
 

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2014, 05:00 PM »
Hi adair,

Thanks for posting.  Its really difficult to tell from the after pic of the tree but the branch in front is not coming directly at the viewer. Also the branch going back is not going directly backwards. Maybe if I lowered the front branch even more to place these pads at different levels it would've come off as more 3d in a photo. The current back would've worked as a front but for a really nasty scar just where the apex starts, worst thing about this scar is that it is in plain view and there is no branches there that can be used to cover it with, lastly the apex will lean away as the continuation of the trunk into the apex leans away from that knob to the current front.

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2014, 01:06 AM »
Hi Herman

some other view of the white pine
 

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2014, 01:07 AM »
top view
 

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2014, 01:34 AM »
Ok...

I still like the back as the front.

Either way, we have the straight trunk. It really needs a bend. There is nice movement in the lower trunk, and up at the apex, its just that middle section that needs help.

It's going to take more than wire. First off, I'm thinking there's got to be a better way to anchor your guy wires!  But we'll discuss that another day.

What I have in mind is using a piece of heavy rebar or maybe an iron pipe, and a block of wood. Secure the pipe/rebar at the base, place the block of wood between the trunk and rebar, and using wire (and maybe a clamp) slowly pull the top of the trunk towards the rebar. The block of wood acts as a fulcrum. Tighten the wire as you bend.

I'm thinking that it would be great if (using the back as the new front) you could bend it so the apex is pulled towards the new front.

Of course, pad everything with rubber.

Give it a thought.  You and your buddy could do it together. ( I suspect the more hands and muscle, the better.).

Good luck!
 

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2014, 04:27 AM »
Hello Adair,

I gave this a lot of thought, bending the trunk in that straight section will solve a lot of problems for this tree

1 - it will put movement into a boring straight section of trunk
2 - it will bring the apex closer to the upper pads and make the tree look more full
3 - it will bring about an opportunity to cover that ugly knob/knuckle with some foliage of the second level of branches, if it can be bent over enough

 I thought of bending that section to the front and right to accomplish this. this is if my buddy wants to do this of course; It's his tree after all.

thanks for the pointers Adair.

will also have to move those branches to accommodate the new front

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Re: Another white pine I styled for my buddy
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2014, 10:01 AM »
Ignore my comments about depth then.  It could certainly be fuller ...but it could be older too.  (I get that it'll eventually get there ...in both regards.)  Those additional pictures were helpful.

And welcome Joe!