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Dirk

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Trident seeds
« on: August 01, 2012, 05:29 AM »
Last fall I bought some Trident Maple seeds.
Planted them late fall and kept them outside for natural stratification.

The seedbed was exposed to temperatures as low as -20 degree Celsius. (-4 Fahrenheit).

Great result this spring: none sprouted.
I know that there are Maple species that that at least two years to germinate.
Is this so with Tridents?
Or is the exposure to deep frosts fatal?

In other words, can I get rid of the seedbed, or should I wait another year?
 

Dirk

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Re: Trident seeds
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2012, 11:46 AM »
I allready bought 50 bonsaipots, like the one shown on the package, for my promised trees....
 

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Re: Trident seeds
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2012, 11:43 AM »
-BUMP-

Would love to hear someone with experience answer this question.
 

sekibonsai

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Re: Trident seeds
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2012, 05:12 PM »
My understanding via Brent Walston is that trident maple seeds have to be fresh, making it very difficult to grow from seed.  I have tried several times and failed and now just order bare-root seedlings for my nursery...
 

FrankP999

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Re: Trident seeds
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2012, 10:59 AM »
I have found they rot easily kept outdoors unless drainage is perfect. I have good success stratifying them in my refrigerator where I can better control the moisture. In the spring when they start to swell or sprout in the fridge, I plant them outside.

Frank
 

sekibonsai

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Re: Trident seeds
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2012, 11:03 AM »
Frank,

Do you collect your own or purchase?
 

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Re: Trident seeds
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2012, 08:43 PM »
treeshrubseeds.com  buy the small leaf variety. Great Germination.
 

FrankP999

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Re: Trident seeds
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2012, 08:44 PM »
I bought mine from Dallas Bonsai

Frank
 

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Re: Trident seeds
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2012, 09:49 PM »
You paid too much, probably for old seed, Schumacher cleans seed and ships, so not over dried.
 

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Re: Trident seeds
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2012, 12:11 AM »
Looks like a Putz tree in a Horst pot. Seed probably out of Denmark or something.

Get a germinating seed bed heater. If all else fails, use a reptile heater with some rock wool over it. Needs pretty good bottom heat for tridents to strike.

Once you get one tree, take cuttings. They are faster and larger faster.
 

sekibonsai

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Re: Trident seeds
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2012, 01:49 PM »
I've never been able to get one to root...  I've got a forest I need to replace some trees in so any advice would be appreciated!
 

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Re: Trident seeds
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2012, 04:36 PM »
Cuttings are straightforward.

Dick - I'm in The Netherlands too - I'll give you a Trident if you want one...
 

Dirk

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Re: Trident seeds
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2012, 05:21 PM »
Thanks Jerry,

I decided to try again, just started stratification with new seeds, purchased at Vreeken in Dordrecht.
I'm afraid the seeds are not very fresh: No one could tell me how old the seeds were.

If all fails again I'll be very happy to accept your offer!
b.t.w. I've seen your collection of trees on the internet! Very nice collection of trees Jerry!

Groeten
Dick
 

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Re: Trident seeds
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2013, 10:08 PM »
I second schumacher. I like them as a source for seed. I have never had awesome germination rates with tridents for whatever reason.  Japanese maples usually pop very easily for me.  The trident seeds rot easily in stratification and are just plain difficult.  I typically get a 40% germination rate. Soaked them in hot water for a few days, then kept them in moist paper towels in the fridge for 3 months, and finally sowed outside(mid-late march here).
 

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Re: Trident seeds
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2013, 01:20 AM »
So far I have only had a 25% sprout rate. Raining today, so hoping for some warm weather to follow for a few weeks. I can see some in the soil that are bent over and ready to pop, but the lower temps that moved in with the rain have stalled the sprouts.

Some of mine are all bendy cause I grow um under window screen to get some movement down low on the trunks.