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Don Dunn
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« on: February 09, 2013, 02:05 PM »

I am trying my luck with growing Tridents from seed,so far so good.
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berobinson82
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2013, 02:03 PM »

Would you care to share your methodology?
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AlexV
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2013, 02:48 PM »

That looks like the right size to pull it out of the soil, chop off the tap root and replant.  Jonas has a great guide on it with JBP but the theory is the same, chop off the tap to get lost of radial roots.  It can save you the trouble of air layering it later.

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Don Dunn
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2013, 04:13 PM »

It's really pretty simple to grow these. Collect the seeds when they turn brown. I collected seed last fall and soaked the seeds over night in a pan. Supposedly if the seeds float then they are not good and should be  discarded and so if they sink they are still viable. Remove from the pot of water drain but do not dry the seeds and place them on a normal kitchen paper towel. Laying them out flat seems to work a little better. However I just took several and kind of made the pile flat. Make sure the seeds and towel are moist at all times but not soaking wet. It would be good if you can treat them with a fungicide before you put them onto the paper towel. I did not treat mine and did get some fungus growing and treated them for it when I discovered the problem.  Next fold the paper towel over the seeds in a  manner that makes it small enough to put into a sandwich sized baggy. Tie the  top off to keep all the moisture in and put them into the refrigerator. After a month or a little longer start checking them every week to see if they are spouting. In about two months they should have started spouting. Look at the very end of the seed farthest from the wings and you may see a little white dot ,under close examination you can see that the seed has actually split open. Some of the seeds may have already developed a small tape root. I purchased flat growing flats at Home Depot for about $1.50 each mixed cactus soil 70% with Perlite at about 30%. Fill the tray up to about a half inch from the top with this soil, make a row in the soil with your finger and plant the seeds about 2 X's their thickness under the soil. Water and keep moist but not soaking wet. When the weather prevents you can put them out side in a shaded location, dappled light would be ideal. Keep track of the weather and if you are going to have any freezing temperatures bring them into a protected area. I learned to cover the tray with some type of wire because the birds seem to love these young plants.
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Don Dunn
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2013, 04:19 PM »

Alex
 I have seen that method for JBPs but could not find anything about it for maples. I would sure like to find an article for maples as I know the timing and the location of the cut is critical. More research is needed but I think I will try it anyhow. thanks for reinding me.
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2013, 12:07 AM »

I would sure like to find an article for maples as I know the timing and the location of the cut is critical. More research is needed but I think I will try it anyhow. thanks for reinding me.

I haven't done it w/ maple seedlings (yet), but I've been told the timing isn't nearly as critical as you've made it out to be.
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Don Dunn
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2013, 01:01 AM »

bwaynef
Do you know of any article, Youtube or any one that has tried this method on Maples?  It would be beneficial to me to get their first hand experience.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2013, 10:32 AM »

I do not know of a guide for this regarding trident maple, but I know several people who grow maples from seed and they either trim the tap root or use the tile/washer/groundlayer method.  I would follow exactly the same procedure as you would use for black pine seedlings, which are less forgiving than trident maple.  Basically just trim the tap root above the small feeder roots.  You could even just take a small subset of your seedlings and do it, then compare the results.

Alex
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Don Dunn
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2013, 01:28 PM »

Thank you Alex
 I will give it a try, I might try all three methods. I saw the washer method on this forum not sure who posted it but I can look that up. That one actually seems the safest. But I like to experiment so I am willing to try different methods.
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Don Dunn
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2013, 01:39 PM »

I found the washer method and it was bwaynef. Thanks for posting that I'll give it a try if my plants make it to that age. LOL
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2013, 05:45 PM »

To be clear, the method with pines (popularized by Bonsai Today articles of yore & the _Pines_ books ...and apparently in the Gunn books) involves cutting thru the stems of the seedlings, removing all roots.  The roots that issue, do so from essentially the same plane leading to better root spread and lower first branch (or is it, higher roots?).

I've been told that the same can be done with Maples, possibly with as late as 1 year old seedlings, ...but I don't have the experience to back that up.
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2013, 10:04 PM »

Personally, I would suggest just leaving them on their own roots for a year, then place through washers or drill through cheap tiles to force the tree to layer itself. Cutings work well as well. John
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2013, 12:14 PM »

John I had wondered about that, since tridents ground layer so well with those big washers/tiles/whatever.  I was hoping you or Don would chime in, I know you have both grown a great deal of tridents.  Thanks!

Alex
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