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Trident-first look
« on: November 12, 2009, 01:56 PM »
As this tree has been in my possesion less than a year, this is my first look at what is going on.  I'm new to this and not sure how to approach the next steps for this maple.  Well, I'm open to any suggestions/advice so don't hold back.  The tree is shown rotated clockwise in 45 degree increments.  thanks for looking.

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Re: Trident-first look
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2009, 01:58 PM »
Second set of pics.

 

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Re: Trident-first look
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2009, 03:50 PM »
Dave,
This tree has real possibilities. I was surprised that it is as small as it is, it seemed to be a much bigger piece of stock. I'd cut it down pretty hard, but first I think I'd air layer it in the two places I marked in red. I don't know if I'd keep much of the base of the branch marked in green, just a small stub to be pared down when new branches sprout there. Good luck with it and keep us posted!
 

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Re: Trident-first look
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2009, 04:00 PM »
Thanks Chris, as I have been looking at the tree, your suggestion is very probable.  Can you put both layers on the tree at the same time? Also, I think the branch marked green has shoots lower down it could be chopped to in spring, or should I leave everything as is if I attempt to layer? Since I don't have any other trident, layering would be very practical.  Thanks.

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Re: Trident-first look
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2009, 07:33 PM »
Nice material Dave. You can do both airlayers at once, I would just cut the boring branch (green line) off in the lae winter/spring. Very nice, John
 

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Re: Trident-first look
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2009, 11:50 PM »
Thanks John, not bad for $20, huh?

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Re: Trident-first look
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2009, 07:45 AM »
Not bad at all. Some good application of technique and you have a very sweet little tree. Good eye.
 

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Re: Trident-first look
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2010, 02:28 PM »
The buds are starting to swell, and now I'm flip-flopping on layering or giving it the CHOP.   ??? ???  Maybe I'll kill a six pack and see what happens ;)

Dave
 

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Re: Trident-first look
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2010, 12:17 PM »
Layer it.
 

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Re: Trident-first look
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2010, 01:36 PM »
I'd vote to chop it.  You're just delaying the work on the best (part of the) tree by layering parts off that won't be as good as the base.
 

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Re: Trident-first look
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2010, 05:08 PM »
If you have plenty of trident material or $ with which to get more then yeah, chop it.
 

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Re: Trident-first look
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2010, 06:40 PM »
Dave, you have to ask yourself what is more important. If you go for the airlayers, you will be at a standstill on the development of the main trunk. Do you feel the layers will give you superior material to the trunk? If you do, go for the layers. But, if you are doing the layers just to get additional material, you may not end up with material you want.... and the trunk will be at the same place it is now come next year. If you chop, you will start developing the trunk this year.....

My vote (which really means little) is to go for the chop!

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Re: Trident-first look
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2010, 09:07 PM »
Hey, I am not sure how you all air-lay but when I do it I wait till the leaves fully open and darken(mature). Then you set up the air layer and in 6 to 8 weeks I have roots enough to remove it. Usually about the time for the summer flush. And the host tree is not dormant for all this time, the roots are growing and some shoots are pushing out below the layer site. Then when the air layer is removed the tree has lots of new sap to redirect and usually the new growth is accelerated. So I can get a good start on the direction of the new apex at the least. Now the newly layered portion will be slow to grow because of the small root system, but in three or four years it will have an outstanding nebari. Is it just me or has anyone else experienced this?  Don
 

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Re: Trident-first look
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2010, 09:27 PM »
I don't wait until they have leaves, bud swell in March, off with the layer in June-July. I have also done cuttings at least the size of the material you are dealing with- again at bud swell- I checked my rooting hormone this weekend- 0.8%.

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Re: Trident-first look
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2010, 11:55 PM »
I just deleted my original follow up post...
After looking at the pictures again, I realize that the top part of the trunk is actually pretty ugly. I'm not sure I would want it. But I don't see why you couldn't let the new leader grow out while the layer is rooting.