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Species Specific => Trident Maple Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: Hotaction on November 12, 2009, 01:56 PM

Title: Trident-first look
Post by: Hotaction on November 12, 2009, 01:56 PM
As this tree has been in my possesion less than a year, this is my first look at what is going on.  I'm new to this and not sure how to approach the next steps for this maple.  Well, I'm open to any suggestions/advice so don't hold back.  The tree is shown rotated clockwise in 45 degree increments.  thanks for looking.

Dave
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: Hotaction on November 12, 2009, 01:58 PM
Second set of pics.

Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: bonsaikc on November 12, 2009, 03:50 PM
Dave,
This tree has real possibilities. I was surprised that it is as small as it is, it seemed to be a much bigger piece of stock. I'd cut it down pretty hard, but first I think I'd air layer it in the two places I marked in red. I don't know if I'd keep much of the base of the branch marked in green, just a small stub to be pared down when new branches sprout there. Good luck with it and keep us posted!
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: Hotaction on November 12, 2009, 04:00 PM
Thanks Chris, as I have been looking at the tree, your suggestion is very probable.  Can you put both layers on the tree at the same time? Also, I think the branch marked green has shoots lower down it could be chopped to in spring, or should I leave everything as is if I attempt to layer? Since I don't have any other trident, layering would be very practical.  Thanks.

Dave
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: John Kirby on November 12, 2009, 07:33 PM
Nice material Dave. You can do both airlayers at once, I would just cut the boring branch (green line) off in the lae winter/spring. Very nice, John
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: Hotaction on November 12, 2009, 11:50 PM
Thanks John, not bad for $20, huh?

-Dave
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: John Kirby on November 13, 2009, 07:45 AM
Not bad at all. Some good application of technique and you have a very sweet little tree. Good eye.
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: Hotaction on March 14, 2010, 02:28 PM
The buds are starting to swell, and now I'm flip-flopping on layering or giving it the CHOP.   ??? ???  Maybe I'll kill a six pack and see what happens ;)

Dave
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: noissee on March 15, 2010, 12:17 PM
Layer it.
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: bwaynef on March 15, 2010, 01:36 PM
I'd vote to chop it.  You're just delaying the work on the best (part of the) tree by layering parts off that won't be as good as the base.
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: noissee on March 15, 2010, 05:08 PM
If you have plenty of trident material or $ with which to get more then yeah, chop it.
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: Jay on March 15, 2010, 06:40 PM
Dave, you have to ask yourself what is more important. If you go for the airlayers, you will be at a standstill on the development of the main trunk. Do you feel the layers will give you superior material to the trunk? If you do, go for the layers. But, if you are doing the layers just to get additional material, you may not end up with material you want.... and the trunk will be at the same place it is now come next year. If you chop, you will start developing the trunk this year.....

My vote (which really means little) is to go for the chop!

J
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: donmaple on March 15, 2010, 09:07 PM
Hey, I am not sure how you all air-lay but when I do it I wait till the leaves fully open and darken(mature). Then you set up the air layer and in 6 to 8 weeks I have roots enough to remove it. Usually about the time for the summer flush. And the host tree is not dormant for all this time, the roots are growing and some shoots are pushing out below the layer site. Then when the air layer is removed the tree has lots of new sap to redirect and usually the new growth is accelerated. So I can get a good start on the direction of the new apex at the least. Now the newly layered portion will be slow to grow because of the small root system, but in three or four years it will have an outstanding nebari. Is it just me or has anyone else experienced this?  Don
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: John Kirby on March 15, 2010, 09:27 PM
I don't wait until they have leaves, bud swell in March, off with the layer in June-July. I have also done cuttings at least the size of the material you are dealing with- again at bud swell- I checked my rooting hormone this weekend- 0.8%.

John
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: noissee on March 15, 2010, 11:55 PM
I just deleted my original follow up post...
After looking at the pictures again, I realize that the top part of the trunk is actually pretty ugly. I'm not sure I would want it. But I don't see why you couldn't let the new leader grow out while the layer is rooting.
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: Hotaction on March 16, 2010, 01:56 PM
Thanks for all the input.  I'll be sure to post the results after I work this one in the next couple weeks.

Dave
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: Hotaction on July 27, 2010, 12:53 PM
Well, just realized I never posted any results.  Here is a shot from the spring after the chopping process.  Since then it has been left to grow. 

Dave
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: shimsuki on July 27, 2010, 03:43 PM
I like it, any pics of it leafed out today?


Shim
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: Hotaction on July 28, 2010, 12:29 AM
Nothing to see really. It's been fed aggressively and left to grow unrestricted.  I'll prune after the growing season mostly so i can fit it into storage.  In the spring it is due for a repot, and some branch selection. 

Dave
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: mcpesq817 on July 28, 2010, 12:17 PM
Nice work.  This will make into a great little tree.
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: Hotaction on October 29, 2010, 02:23 PM
Well, I did some rough removal of the long branches that had grown woldly througout the year.  My main goal in pruning was to get it down to size for winter storage.  I left substantial stubs, for removal in spring.  Major work will be undertaken at repotting time.  Until then I'll have some time to think about it.  

Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: Hotaction on October 29, 2010, 02:27 PM
After rough pruning
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: MatsuBonsai on October 29, 2010, 02:46 PM
Looking good, Dave.  Nice and healthy.  You probably will want to wire and add more curve to the branches.
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: Hotaction on October 29, 2010, 02:57 PM
Thanks John, no doubt it needs movement wired in, but I'm most likely to remove almost all those long branches.  For now I just gave it a quick 3 minute cut to compact it for winter storage.  In your opinion, would it be better to work it hard now and do the branch shortening and removal as well as the wire. Or, should i just wait till spring when it decides to start growing again.

Dave
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: John Kirby on October 29, 2010, 04:06 PM
Wait until right befor it starts to pop. John
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: Hotaction on March 18, 2011, 11:44 AM
Well, the buds started making their move, so I made mine.  I'm planning to repot into another training pot on Saturday.

Dave
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: JRob on March 18, 2011, 02:17 PM
Dave,

Looking good. Post a pic when it is leafed out. I'd love to see it again.

JRob
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: Hotaction on March 19, 2011, 05:24 PM
Will do JRob.  I'm excited that It might actually resemble a miniature tree in some regard this season.

Dave
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: John Kirby on March 20, 2011, 08:56 PM
Nice work, now let me nit pick, as soon as things start to grow well, you need to eliminate the really thick and or straight (relative to the others) branches that are higher up on the tree. I know, some people say it is natural to hae them, but these (like all trident maples) re young branches that just escaped and grew a lot in one or two years- they need to be stubbed and replaced with thin, wireable, branches.

Really nice work. JOhn
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: Hotaction on April 12, 2011, 11:10 PM
repotted into a training pot.
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: Hotaction on May 06, 2011, 02:15 PM
Well, I was snapping pics today, and I got a quick shot of this one.  I will get another after it has had time to fill in a bit more.
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: bonsaiTom on May 09, 2011, 04:29 AM
It is looking good.  Not sure what's happening here.  The wire 'cage' is holding some soil mix up high around the trunk.  For what purpose?   ???   Nebari improvement?

I might learn something new!
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: Hotaction on May 17, 2011, 01:39 PM
Ok, it has filled in a bit more, the top will need to be chased back.  I'm thinking a summer defoliation and rewiring would be a good time for that.

Dave
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: Hotaction on June 15, 2011, 12:11 PM
Ahhhhhh. Summer. (well... almost)

Dave
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: Hotaction on June 16, 2011, 01:09 PM
Me and my tree.
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: Hotaction on July 05, 2011, 02:46 PM
After defoliation, I need to prune a few branches sometime real soon.

Dave
Title: Re: Trident-first look
Post by: Hotaction on November 08, 2011, 11:35 AM
With a bit of fall color