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Don Blackmond

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Re: New Trident full of options
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2010, 09:44 AM »
Grog, your tridents will be fine in 18 degree weather.  They can take freezing, and much colder temps than 18.  In my experience, it is the winter wind and a constant freezing/thawing cycle that cause harm.  Freeze them like popsicles and keep them shielded from wind.
 

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Re: New Trident full of options
« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2010, 02:42 PM »
Thanks Don.  It got down to 16 outside but the shed (actually an old chicken coop by the looks of it, yee haw) only got to 24.8.  I have a thermostat on the way from littlegreenhouse.com but I don't think it's gonna cut the mustard, after reading up the low range it can be set at is 30 F.  Probably should have checked that before.

Sorry if I sidetracked your thread too much Wayne, lots of good info though, thanks.
 

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Re: New Trident full of options
« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2010, 10:18 PM »
Actually Al, you are wrong again. We don' t eat bulls much in the states. They be castrated, thus steers. In california a good deal of the burgers you get come from those california dairy cows that the rest of us see on TV.

You may be eating Bull, but it isnt beef.
cheers.
 

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Re: New Trident full of options
« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2010, 12:54 AM »
Must be California Cheese burgers
 

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Re: New Trident full of options
« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2010, 04:07 PM »
I have a whole slug of pictures to add to this thread as well as more info. Have a aThanksgiving party to go to so will add late night.

Al,

Where are the photos?  Would love to have something to look at over the long holiday weekend. 
 

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Re: New Trident full of options
« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2010, 09:57 AM »
Got the flu tuesday. Leaving for the coast for Thanksgiving Thu, fri, and Sat. Will be home Sat. night and hope like hell I feel better. Nothing like going away for three days sick.


I'm hoping Sun. is a better day.

Happy Turkey Day, al
 

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Re: New Trident full of options
« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2010, 10:13 AM »
Having just dealt with a stomach bug that swept thru my house the weekend preceding a housing move ...where we'd planned to do the bulk of our packing, I can empathize. No rush on the pictures, ...though I'm eager to see them.
 

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Re: New Trident full of options
« Reply #37 on: December 14, 2010, 07:45 PM »
I have a whole slug of pictures to add to this thread as well as more info. Have a aThanksgiving party to go to so will add late night.

Shameless bump.  Can't wait to see the pictures.
 

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Re: New Trident full of options
« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2010, 07:46 PM »
Hi Wayne

A trident chop at minimum in my area will take about six years to achieve good results with a the tree starting to get to being shown off. If you start with a good base a few years can be shaved off but still the first chop needs almost three years to achieve a good transition.

While your chop is showing good progress it is not large enough to blend in well enough with the trunk to look powerful. It is not pyrimidal enough. Some may argue that chopping a trident is not always about achieving that sort of form. I always say if you wish to chop a trident, that is the only form you can do and achieve good results. If a person is not going for a sumo style trunk, then why chop? So, I will progress with my photo's based on that assumption. If that is not your intent, maybe these pics may be of some use for others.

On your tree, I have made some lines indicateing where the fist branch needed to be grown to before making the second chop. This is needed for two reasons, one to help heal the first cut, and second, to smooth out the transition between trunk and extending trunk for directional change. extensinn of secondary should go untill the red lines are reached. Second chop at light blue line. Bud at top should be grown out till purple lines are reached. Third chop is made at yellow area. By the time you get to the second chop, you should have some buds around the edge of the chop area that can be chosen for branching. these should be chosen and wired for direction. By the time of the second chop, it may have taken two growing seasons for the first leader to get that big. Remember to keep all suckers and shoots that sprout from the base and let those grow long. Do not cut these all year. In the spring of the year you chop, remove the basel growth reserving a short stub along the trunk, about 1/4 inch or so. Seal these. Let them sprout that year and repeat that process while growing out the second chop. Repeat this process for three years or so untill the trunk is reaching the stage of looking gnarly, which it should with the stubs. The bark will heal over these quickly and add girth thru callous tissue.
 

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Re: New Trident full of options
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2010, 07:50 PM »
In this photo, we can see when I made my first chop. The trunks were about 1.5 inches across and were purchased as 10 foot yard trees. They had grown completely thru the five gallon buckets and into the ground.
 

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Re: New Trident full of options
« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2010, 07:54 PM »
In this picture you can see the growth from one season. The shoots from the base are engorging this area with everything so girth is achieved fast. These stumps went for one more year before the next cut was done.
 

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Re: New Trident full of options
« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2010, 07:58 PM »
This tree was at the four year mark. As you can see there are still no real branches yet. I was really concentrating on getting the structure set rather then making it pretty. Some branches are grafted and some are shoots. It really just deopends on where they emerge when the growing is taking place. If they come out in a good place I retain them. Keep in mind that no branching should be kept in the upper third of the tree. If anything is kept it should be no. one branch first. That way all the branches will grow in scale. Keeping upper branches first will just have to be removed later unless they are sacrifice branches for closing wounds.
 

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Re: New Trident full of options
« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2010, 08:04 PM »
Unfortunatly I did not keep a very good record of these trees as I did them. Since these trees had super ugly bases on them as I did this grow out, getting them shoehorned into a shohin pot was going to be a task. I achieved what I needed by doing ground layers in the pot. Every time I did a repot (every two years) I removed more of the base.

here you can see what I started with and what I was able to do to whittle them down. You can see in that last photo just how large that base had grown in four years. That is about 4 to 5 inches across while I started with a tree 1.5 inches across.
 

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Re: New Trident full of options
« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2010, 08:17 PM »
Branching was started in earnest in the fifth year. Some by grafting and some by bud selection. More grafting will be done this year on the two most progressed so far. I have about thirty tridents in all stages of technique going at once.

These are the two from this chop session started in 2003. These two trees are seven years in training.
 

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Re: New Trident full of options
« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2010, 08:21 PM »
This tree is from the same bunch , just two years behind.