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Species Specific => Trident Maple Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: cship4885 on February 07, 2010, 04:53 PM

Title: My First Trident
Post by: cship4885 on February 07, 2010, 04:53 PM
Here is my first trident maple. Purchased from a nursery online for $40. Th chop at the top is quite mangled, and it looks like some sort of glue was used as a cut paste. There is also a fat long root which is maimed at the end, projecting from the side of the tree. Here are some pictures from all angles. I'd appreciate some advice where to go. I was thinking I would start by repotting into better soil early spring, taking off that side root and using whatever roots are buried deeper, and maybe lopping off the entire mangled top of the tree. Thanks.

Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: cship4885 on February 07, 2010, 04:54 PM
more pictures
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: cship4885 on February 07, 2010, 04:55 PM
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Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: cship4885 on February 07, 2010, 04:56 PM
chop  :o
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: Zach Smith on February 08, 2010, 11:21 AM
If it were my tree, I'd unpot, cut to that first smaller branch pointing upward at an angle (new leader, but look for a bud not more than one-third the way up to let run) and trim the big root way back, then plant in the ground for a few years.  Tridents heal and grow fast, and you should be able to get much better taper and a fatter trunk by doing this.  The entire top of the tree can be developed once you have the basics established.

Best of luck with the project.

Zach
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: cship4885 on April 24, 2010, 11:26 AM
Here is my trident a few months later. I repotted it a cheap plastic pot (79 cents a piece). It's a shallow tray used to place your houseplants in to keep them from dripping on your floor. Aside from being flimsy, it worked great for my other maple (japanese green maple). It's in a a bonsai soil composed of red lava, I think turface, and also pine bark. When I repotted it, it had only ONE fresh (white) root, and very few additional feeder roots. It's surprising it was still alive. The old soil it came in was some sort of white, large grain size, light rock. I chopped the trunk higher than I originally planned because I was afraid the short second trunk might not get buds. So far I am right, no buds on that piece. I also chopped off the high horizontal root, which has left a large wound. When i repotted though, there are 4 or 5 nice size rotos forming a nebari, not all at the same elevation though, so some might need to come off, or some new ones grafted in the future.

Right now, I am just going to left the new leader grow and grow, and hopefully develop a nice healthy root ball.

Here are the pictures.
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: bwaynef on April 25, 2010, 08:36 PM
I was waiting to see if you were going to come back and add the pictures.  Looks like you forgot.
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: cship4885 on May 05, 2010, 12:02 AM
Sorry, no i didn't forget. I reduced my image sizes to about 40k a piece and tried uploading them 1 by 1, but I continue to recieve and error stating the file size is too big. Frustration ensued, then I gave up. I'll try again now...
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: cship4885 on May 05, 2010, 12:05 AM
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Post by: cship4885 on May 05, 2010, 12:06 AM
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Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: cship4885 on May 05, 2010, 12:07 AM
I had to upload different older pictures. Must be something wrong with the others... The other pictures show the new leader wired and are closer and clearer...
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: BK1017 on October 07, 2010, 10:50 PM
Here is my first trident maple. Purchased from a nursery online for $40. Th chop at the top is quite mangled, and it looks like some sort of glue was used as a cut paste. There is also a fat long root which is maimed at the end, projecting from the side of the tree. Here are some pictures from all angles. I'd appreciate some advice where to go. I was thinking I would start by repotting into better soil early spring, taking off that side root and using whatever roots are buried deeper, and maybe lopping off the entire mangled top of the tree. Thanks.



Can I ask where you purchased it?
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: cship4885 on October 15, 2010, 11:21 PM
I can't seem to find the site anymore. It was a guy with his own site from North Carolina.

Sadly, the tree perished from the excessive heat this summer anyway. When expecting it, the tree really had NO root system to speak of. When purchased it was supposed to be an established tree, but when I repotted there were very few, white, live feeder roots at all.
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: roberthu on December 05, 2011, 02:48 PM
Next time check upon arrival. If the root system is not good, plant it in pure sand. All-purpose sand from Lowes will work. leave it in sand for at least six-month, do not feed at all, just water it regularly and you will see massive roots by the end of the year, that's when you pot it into rich medium and start fertilizing.
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: nathanbs on December 05, 2011, 10:08 PM
@cship were there holes in the clear drip tray you used?
@ robert help me understand the function of the fine sand so that i can use it when applicable. Im assuming its recommended on other species that do not have any or many roots
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: Don Blackmond on December 06, 2011, 08:35 AM
@ robert help me understand the function of the fine sand so that i can use it when applicable. Im assuming its recommended on other species that do not have any or many roots

stays moist and its easy for new roots to push through; downside is aeration is not as good as coarse material, but coarse does not stay moist nearly as well.
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: John Kirby on December 06, 2011, 10:35 AM
Perlite is superior for a couple of reasons, well 3, it is lighter, it allows for aeration and rapid root growth, it is clean, in that you have no chance of getting a toxic salt load as in some sands. However, if you sre going to essentially bare root a tree, why not just put into areasonable bonsai mix? It will certainly work.
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: Chrisl on December 06, 2011, 11:20 AM
Plus, I have to wonder if any root damage was being done while moving the pot as that is an extr. flexible pot that could easily break off new roots.  Just an added thought.
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: Don Blackmond on December 06, 2011, 12:24 PM
Plus, I have to wonder if any root damage was being done while moving the pot as that is an extr. flexible pot that could easily break off new roots.  Just an added thought.

except that its a trident, which means you could pull it from the pot, beat it against the wall, stuff it back in the pot, and it would keep growing....  ;D
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: John Kirby on December 06, 2011, 12:39 PM
I quote Howard Smith from Dallas " at the end of time there will be two survivors left, cockroaches and trident maples".
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: Chrisl on December 06, 2011, 05:31 PM
That's very funny guys!  I knew they were hardy, but not THAT hardy  ;D 
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: jacksmom on December 07, 2011, 10:40 AM
I wish tridents were hardy enough to winter outside in Minnesota, zone 4.  Anyone know of a trident maple or other maple that could be used for bonsai that is zone 4 hardy?
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: John Kirby on December 07, 2011, 11:09 AM
Amur Maple. Hedge Maple, Acer campestre, many grown as beautiful bonsai in Northern Europe, can be the trident of the northlands, as with everything needs some protection in winter if it is in a pot. John
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: Don Blackmond on December 07, 2011, 12:38 PM
I leave some of my tridents outside all year here in Michigan.  I just set the pot directly on the ground.  Snow buries the pots and insulates them from sun and wild temperature fluctuations.  They do fine.
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: Jerry Norbury on December 08, 2011, 04:24 PM
I was also going to say Amur Maple and Field Maple- because I live in Northern Europe!...

We don't actually get the severe winters in my bit of Northern Europe (Amsterdam) due to our proximity to the North Sea which is warmed by the Gulf stream.

I personally prefer Acer Campestre/Field maple due to the smaller leaves. I have mostly shohin sized trees so it matters to me.
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: jacksmom on December 08, 2011, 04:42 PM
Thanks for the suggestions, I appreciate it!   I will look into those options.  Gives me something to ponder over the winter.  Perhaps next year, I may winter a trident with my other trees outside in Minnesota.

 With those, I bury them in the dirt, cover the top of the pots with gardening fabric, put more dirt on top, surround them with a fence of gardening fabric to prevent wind damage and pray that we don't get a week or more of double digit below zero weather.
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: John Kirby on December 08, 2011, 05:15 PM
If you want to try and grow some of your own, www.treeshrubseeds.com (http://www.treeshrubseeds.com) has very nice pricing on seeds. I have purchased many, many lbs of maple seeds from them over the years, with great success. $4 or 5 of Acer campestre seed will give you enough seedlings to share with all of your friends, relatives, fellow club members and enemies if you so choose. Beats paying $5 for a seedling that was started from the same seed source last year.

John
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: Jerry Norbury on December 08, 2011, 05:42 PM
Plus they grow fast and can be chopped back as low as you want.
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: jacksmom on December 09, 2011, 10:02 AM
Wow, thanks for the source for seeds.  Great options with a lots to read and learn. 
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: Jerry Norbury on December 09, 2011, 03:33 PM
Here's my smallest Acer Campestre...
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: JRob on December 10, 2011, 07:03 AM
So Jerry,

How many times a day does that need to be watered?

JRob
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: Jay on December 10, 2011, 01:21 PM
Beauty of a little guy. Other than the watering, which as JRob asks has got to be often, what are the difficulties with this size tree.?

Jay
Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: Jerry Norbury on December 10, 2011, 03:09 PM
Remarkably it's watered once a day - I leave it completely buried in a bigger pot, along with a number of others. Eventually they grow roots through the bottom of their own pots and into the big pot and generally make a party of it.

What's different? Well, there is no room for a design mistake because of the extremely limited number of branches. In the case of the Acer Campestre, individual leaves visually represent entire foliage pads.

Often, in this size, they only look good while the leaves are coming out - so defoliating one or more times a year is quite typical.

Title: Re: My First Trident
Post by: Jerry Norbury on December 10, 2011, 03:44 PM
Not wishing to hijack the thread, but here are a couple more Mame and Shohin Acer Campestres. They're all grown from cuttings or collected seedlings.