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Jason E

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good nebari?
« on: April 17, 2012, 06:05 PM »
Hello,
I purchased this tree a couple of years ago before really knowing what to look for,"still learning"  When I got it it had been chopped recently and I've been working on branches. Just cleaned up the moss on the base of the tree to get a better look at the nebari. It is not the even radial flare you would try to develop by manipulating the developement of the nebari but it is fused into a solid pad for the most part.
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Re: good nebari?
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2012, 06:10 PM »
what that tells us is that this tree was kept in a pot that was too small for too long, which caused the roots to start to circle around.  When it was moved up into a larger pot, it was either too late to straiten the roots out, or whoever did it did not take the time to do so. 

I don't think there is anyway of making this look like the typical radial roots that are prized, short of layering above that mess.

Alternatively, if you like how it looks, you can make it a focal point and expose them even more.  But most bonsai people would not find it very appealing, I think.

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Adair M

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Re: good nebari?
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2012, 06:42 PM »
Take this as an opportunity to learn a new skill:  air layering!
 

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Re: good nebari?
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2012, 06:46 PM »
yeah, learning process. looked better w/ the moss :)
 

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Re: good nebari?
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2012, 07:02 PM »
also, these pics are showing the back of the tree.  It would probably look better with the large chop scar in back.

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Re: good nebari?
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2012, 08:26 PM »
Also, there's no good excuse for nebari this poor on a Japanese Maple.  They layer so well that you really shouldn't have to look at roots like this for very long.
 

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Re: good nebari?
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2012, 08:31 PM »
Also, there's no good excuse for nebari this poor on a Japanese Maple.  They layer so well that you really shouldn't have to look at roots like this for very long.

Psst, trident.  Trident maple.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2012, 08:35 PM by MatsuBonsai »
 

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Re: good nebari?
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2012, 08:40 PM »
probably need to start the air layer process before buds break?
 

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Re: good nebari?
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2012, 08:55 PM »
Also, there's no good excuse for nebari this poor on a Japanese Maple.  They layer so well that you really shouldn't have to look at roots like this for very long.

Psst, trident.  Trident maple.

I'm not sure my advice changes now that its an Acer b instead of p.  Thanks for pointing it out.  ;)
 

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Re: good nebari?
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2012, 08:57 PM »
That's what I'm here for.  Just trying to keep you honest.  ;)
 

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Re: good nebari?
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2012, 11:32 PM »
I will likely be hassled for this, but I like the way that looks.  You could do some thing dramatic with that trunk after layering the top off, or keep the lowest branch and do something novel.  It will look like hell for a long time but one day could be quite interesting; maybe an erratic branch structured semi cascade.....
 

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Re: good nebari?
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2012, 08:14 AM »
Tradition says airlayer, I think I am with Owen this time, airlayer the top make nice roots, make sure you have a bud or grafted branch on the bottom and do the "wabi sabi" thing, in this case I am using Wabi Sabi to mean 'This is my excuse to domanything wierd that I want with MY tree". Should be fun. Good idea Owen.
 

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Re: good nebari?
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2012, 12:41 PM »
I'm with Owen. It is like a pug - so ugly it is cute. I think you should try to make it the design focus. The air-layer escape route is always available if you don't wind up with something satisfying.
 

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Re: good nebari?
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2012, 12:38 AM »
I quite like it.  My vote is for: air layer the top to get a tree with good "standard" nebari, keep the base to make something interesting and unusual. 

Might start a weird nebari thread  ;)  I have  a few.

 

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Re: good nebari?
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2012, 06:18 AM »
Good morning... A question about roots like these. I agree this was left in a small pot too long, but... Will this cause the roots to strangle the tree?  Are there trees which will have a bigger problem with this form of roots?

Hope this question is clear

Jay