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Species Specific => Trident Maple Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: nathanbs on June 30, 2011, 04:20 PM

Title: Air / Ground Layering a Trident?
Post by: nathanbs on June 30, 2011, 04:20 PM
I will apologize in advance if there is a thread on this topic already.  What is your opinions on ground or air layering a trident? Methods? Time of year? Etc.  Any/all advice would be much appreciated.  Thanks is advance.
Title: Re: Air / Ground Layering a Trident?
Post by: nathanbs on July 06, 2011, 09:43 PM
can somebody please atleast give me advice on time of year?
Title: Re: Air / Ground Layering a Trident?
Post by: MatsuBonsai on July 06, 2011, 10:04 PM
It depends. I've had success mid to late Spring with separation 3-4 months later.  What are you looking at, air or ground?  How big?  In a bonsai pot, nursery can, or still in the ground?  More details (and perhaps a picture or two) might get better answers.
Title: Re: Air / Ground Layering a Trident?
Post by: nathanbs on July 07, 2011, 09:56 AM
its a fairly large trident that has approximately a 6"-8" diameter where i want to airlayer.  It would probably have to be airlayer because of how high up it is, however there aren't any branches or anything that would get in the way if i did a really high ground layer. Has anyone figured out how do upload pictures from their blackberry or other smart phone?
Title: Re: Air / Ground Layering a Trident?
Post by: nathanbs on July 07, 2011, 11:38 AM
it is in a 20 gallon nursery container
Title: Re: Air / Ground Layering a Trident?
Post by: Chrisl on July 07, 2011, 05:01 PM
I used my iPhone to take pictures.  I uploaded them to my computer and just selected that file under the "Additional Options" below.  Pretty easy.
Title: Re: Air / Ground Layering a Trident?
Post by: nathanbs on July 07, 2011, 07:24 PM
pics
Title: Re: Air / Ground Layering a Trident?
Post by: MatsuBonsai on July 07, 2011, 08:10 PM
Certainly looks like a good candidate for an air layer.  Plan your cuts well, as I'm sure you know, you won't get roots from the wound area, but from live and callused areas.
Title: Re: Air / Ground Layering a Trident?
Post by: nathanbs on July 07, 2011, 08:47 PM
ok good to know. any other advice or links to other threads or even reference to a bonsai today that is a good article on the topic. Do you recommend the wire in the groove tourniquet method, removing a band of cambium without a wire, remove cambium and a wire? Pot with bonsai soil, bag with moss? You mentioned late spring. Rooting hormone?
Title: Re: Air / Ground Layering a Trident?
Post by: MatsuBonsai on July 08, 2011, 09:05 AM
Several threads here and elsewhere.

http://bonsaistudygroup.com/japanese-maple-discussion/shishigashira-maple-airlayer/ (http://bonsaistudygroup.com/japanese-maple-discussion/shishigashira-maple-airlayer/)
http://bonsaistudygroup.com/tropical-bonsai-discussion/trying-to-make-it-better-a-bougainvillea-air-layer/ (http://bonsaistudygroup.com/tropical-bonsai-discussion/trying-to-make-it-better-a-bougainvillea-air-layer/)
http://bonsaistudygroup.com/deciduous-bonsai-discussion/ground-layers-for-nebari/ (http://bonsaistudygroup.com/deciduous-bonsai-discussion/ground-layers-for-nebari/)
http://bonsaistudygroup.com/deciduous-bonsai-discussion/red-maple-%28acer-rubrum%29/ (http://bonsaistudygroup.com/deciduous-bonsai-discussion/red-maple-%28acer-rubrum%29/)

I thought Al had a nice one here, but I'm not able to find it at the moment.

I've had success with long fibered sphagnum moss (the clean white stuff) with a ring of bark/cambium removed.  Make sure the ring is large/thick/tall enough and all the cambium is removed.  I've had a trident jump the ring and callus over before.
Title: Re: Air / Ground Layering a Trident?
Post by: nathanbs on July 08, 2011, 04:32 PM
Thank you Matsu, those were some helpful threads. I PM'd several of the authors for time of year etc.
Title: Re: Air / Ground Layering a Trident?
Post by: JTGJr25 on July 18, 2011, 07:18 PM
I actually find the roots interesting and unique.  If that were my tree I would leave it as is and create something that incorporates the interesting roots.

Tom
Title: Re: Air / Ground Layering a Trident?
Post by: Jerry Norbury on October 05, 2011, 02:56 PM
Several threads here and elsewhere.

http://bonsaistudygroup.com/japanese-maple-discussion/shishigashira-maple-airlayer/ (http://bonsaistudygroup.com/japanese-maple-discussion/shishigashira-maple-airlayer/)
http://bonsaistudygroup.com/tropical-bonsai-discussion/trying-to-make-it-better-a-bougainvillea-air-layer/ (http://bonsaistudygroup.com/tropical-bonsai-discussion/trying-to-make-it-better-a-bougainvillea-air-layer/)
http://bonsaistudygroup.com/deciduous-bonsai-discussion/ground-layers-for-nebari/ (http://bonsaistudygroup.com/deciduous-bonsai-discussion/ground-layers-for-nebari/)
http://bonsaistudygroup.com/deciduous-bonsai-discussion/red-maple-%28acer-rubrum%29/ (http://bonsaistudygroup.com/deciduous-bonsai-discussion/red-maple-%28acer-rubrum%29/)

I thought Al had a nice one here, but I'm not able to find it at the moment.

I've had success with long fibered sphagnum moss (the clean white stuff) with a ring of bark/cambium removed.  Make sure the ring is large/thick/tall enough and all the cambium is removed.  I've had a trident jump the ring and callus over before.
Al's story IS in there...he's got the Trident story after the Pyracantha.