Bonsai Study Group Forum

General Category => Shohin Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: John Kirby on December 13, 2009, 05:47 PM

Title: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: John Kirby on December 13, 2009, 05:47 PM
This is a shohin Japanese Maple out at Boon's. I have just started to think about how to develop this tree over the next few years. Increasing the fine ramification is a primary goal. I really like "nontypical" deciduous trees, just haven't found many of them. Should be fun.

John
Title: Re: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: noissee on December 13, 2009, 06:08 PM
I love it. How long did it take to get it into that pot?
Title: Re: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: Steven on December 13, 2009, 07:03 PM
Very nice John. Got a question on the first bend. On the inside(or underside) is that crease from being notched? wire scar? or just from thickening up over time? Just curious. In my eyes it does not detract from the overall composition, in fact I think it gives it more character. :)
Title: Re: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: John Kirby on December 13, 2009, 08:19 PM
No idea on either set of questions. The mark/crease will disappear, not sure what it is from. John
Title: Re: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: Steven on December 13, 2009, 08:33 PM
Ok, still looks great. Like to see this tree in leaf come late spring. Thank ya John!
Title: Re: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: ChrisM on December 14, 2009, 10:42 AM
very nice! i too would love to see it in leaf!! great little tree john!

chris
Title: Re: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: donmaple on December 16, 2009, 08:27 PM
John, I am with you on the nontypical deciduous. This is a beautiful little maple. Reminds me of a small dragon. Can't wait to see it with its spring wings. This is going to be an outstanding maple in my opinion, great taper and great movement with those tight bends can be hard to achieve. But you have done it. Thanks for posting this little gem!
Don
Title: Re: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: John Kirby on December 17, 2009, 10:53 AM
Thanks Don, I will be interested to see how this tree responds over the next few years. John
Title: Re: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: Petit-arbre on April 19, 2010, 06:22 AM
Hello,
beautifull tree !
Did you have new photo may be with leaves

 :)
Title: Re: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: John Kirby on April 19, 2010, 07:10 PM
I will take some when I go out to California next month to work on it- it looks like a jungle now, lots of new growth.
Title: Re: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: John Kirby on May 13, 2010, 10:03 PM
Hi, spent a day with Boon (Saturday) to work on little Maples. This is the tree when we started, didn't get an after picture- was trying to get three trees done in 6 hours...

Anyway, here it is after the early spring flush, and after a good repotting this spring.
Title: Re: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: JRob on May 14, 2010, 05:38 PM
John,

Its been a great spring here in St. Louis. Everything is pushing like crazy as well. I really like this tree. Cascades are not that popular for Japanese maples that is why Shimski and I picked up the one from Don a year ago when we saw it. By chance do you remember who the potter was I really like it?

JRob
Title: Re: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: John Kirby on December 21, 2011, 07:09 PM
Well, another year, another set of wire, dewire, defoliate once and press forward. Slowly but surely we ware moving forward. Got a nice Koyo pot for this one, maybe two years. Before and after pics, new wire in March and start to build ramifiation.

John
Title: Re: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: akeppler on December 22, 2011, 01:23 AM
John, I really like the line of the main trunk. As I look back at the more beginning pics I see a line of the secondary apex trunk moving forward with the line of the tree.

As I look at the more recent photo's I see the line of the secondary trunk making the apex is rather verticle. Why the shift to such a strong verticle move? I guess overall there is nothing wrong either way but I just liked the trunks all moving away from the base together. Now they seem to move independant and without harmony.
Title: Re: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: William N. Valavanis on December 22, 2011, 06:06 AM
John,

Nice Japanese maple!

I realize you can't see everything in photos, but have a few questions, based only on what I can see in your photos.

Have you considered changing the terminal from the present to the one on the left with more movement and taper?
Have you considered removing the first branch on the right from the front view? It looks heavy and originating from the inside of a bend.
The pot it is presently in looks a conifer pot, not a deciduous pot. In fact, I like the first blue pot more than the present. I know you are planning on transplanting in a finer container in the future, how about a photo?

Bill
Title: Re: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: John Kirby on December 22, 2011, 10:47 AM
Hi Bill and Al, thanks for the very constructive comments. One of the things that always makes posting a little challenging is that when you post trees that beginning to look like bonsai, and not just an initial styling, you frequently don't get useful comments- ones that allow for a more educational interaction, and an improvement of the trees.

Bill, yes. The big issue with this tree has been to get it to grow from more than one or two points, this past year we had good growth, and budding, all over the tree. When we have multiple stable branches, a couple of the current strong pieces will be removed. The pot it is in was available as a grow out pot, it is the right size- about 3 times or so larger than the little pot it was in and as you say doesn't work stylistically with this tree- but I didn't have a terra cotta grow pot out at Boon's when it was repotted.
I will post a picture of the Koyo Green Hexagonal pot that I purchased for this tree.

Al, maybe some optical illusion from my bad close-up photography.The straight vertical elements are not intended for the final design. I am posting several of these projects, some junipers, hornbeams, tridents and others will follow. These are being done in the spirit of showing the intermediate steps that trees go through to go from that seedling to a Bonsai- and sometimes- like teenagers, the intermediates can be a little awkward. Thanks again, John
Title: Re: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: akeppler on December 22, 2011, 01:45 PM
Fair enough...I will watch and grow as this tree grows ;D

Maybe next year a future path will be more clear.
Title: Re: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: John Kirby on December 22, 2011, 01:52 PM
Hey Al, in most clubs in the US, this tree would just be trimmed and then defoliated, pop back and shown. As you developing trees is a process, this tree has never been terribly strong, it is stronger now than at any point that I know of. John
Title: Re: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: akeppler on December 22, 2011, 08:02 PM
You are absolutely right about that. I have about 75 trees that most people would consider finished yet "I" have only abouy 5 that I would consider displaying. That is why I enjoy Boon's exhibit so much, because when I see a tree exhibited there it will show some patina of age. This is very important to me, so much so that I feel many of my trees have not reached this stage so I do not exhibit them very much.

This year I am exhibiting a couple shohin trees in the bi-annual shohin seminar in Santa Nella Ca. This seminar draws people from the Eastern US including Bill Valavanis. The last thing I want to do is show a tree that looks like I styled it yesterday.

Palmatum maples are hard to do in shohin anyway due to them being rather weak in pots. I find tridents to be more to my liking in this regard. I guess that is why I have over 75 in development. Love them.

I will be teaching a workshop at the seminar this year........trident maples.....what else!
Title: Re: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: John Kirby on December 22, 2011, 08:26 PM
Cool. I will be in Japan. I will start posting tridents when I get the opportunity, yet another interesting subject.
Title: Re: Shohin Semicascade Japanese Maple
Post by: John Kirby on February 23, 2014, 07:35 PM
Still pecking away, repotted one more time and repruned. Before and after.