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General Category => Shohin Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: bwaynef on July 01, 2009, 11:08 AM

Title: Amur Maple
Post by: bwaynef on July 01, 2009, 11:08 AM
I grew this tree from seed about 3 or 4 years ago now.  I had it potted in a cheap plastic 10" colander and its growth had really taken off.  It was long and lanky and I let the roots get away from me.  I hated how it looked until finally, in july of 2007 (I think) I hacked it way back.  I hacked the top and the roots and put it into a little 4" terracotta pot.  It would either live or I'd have a good reason to get rid of it.  (I don't recommend repotting/root pruning in July.)

To spite me, this tree popped tons of low buds and started developing leaves and branches.  That late fall/winter I chose which of those branches I wanted to use, and after removing the others, wired them into place.

I've been warned that amurs drop branches on a whim, so I'm a little hesitant to defoliate it again this season (after having done just that in early april).  I'll try to get naked pictures of it so that you can see the movement in the trunk.  I'd speculate this one could be classed as mame after it gets pruned back into shape.  If not, it'd probably be on the small end of shohin.  I'm shooting for a finished height of no more than about 5-6".
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: Rick Moquin on July 01, 2009, 02:09 PM
I've been warned that amurs drop branches on a whim
It has been my experience as well
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: bwaynef on July 01, 2009, 02:20 PM
Here are pictures from about a month after the chop.  Sorry about the watermark.
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: ken duncan on July 08, 2009, 08:15 AM
Hay Wayne, I think You have done good job with this one it should be very nice in a few years down the road.
I have not had good luck with Amur Maples in the past myself but this one looks very healthy, maybe your location closer to the Mountains is better for the health of this Northerner.
Ken   
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: bwaynef on January 30, 2010, 10:11 PM
We don't get snow/ice too often.  Since we're covered in the stuff ...and I haven't taken pictures of this one in a while, ....well, you'll see.
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: Jay Wilson on January 30, 2010, 11:59 PM
Cool little tree...
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: Jay on January 31, 2010, 06:27 AM
Wayne, I like this little one. Amur Maples are tough they will come through this cold spell and keep on ticking.

I also have one but have not heard about the dropping branches on a whim. Mine is developing slowly but no lost branches in the three years.

J
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: bwaynef on January 31, 2010, 08:20 AM
I haven't experienced any dropped branches, only warned that they have a penchant for dropping them.  This one is pretty small so I hope it doesn't decide to drop branches.

The outer pot is 6" if I recall correctly.  The inner one (hidden by ice/snow) is about 4" I believe.
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: ChrisM on January 31, 2010, 10:36 AM
nice little tree wayne!!
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: bwaynef on March 29, 2010, 12:48 PM
So, both of those pots cracked during (rather, right after) the ice displayed in the previous pictures.  I had this nice pot laying around w/o a tree in it.  Its a little deep as a display pot, but should give me some breathing room w/ this tree during the summer months (when it got a little ragged looking last year).

Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: rockm on March 29, 2010, 01:51 PM
Nice little amur.

I've got two forest plantings of this species. One old, one only 15 years old. They are pretty tough customers.

Both of the forests were buried completely under snow until the beginning of March--I had intentionally provided no mulch for the winter to prevent early bud break--which has begun as early as Feb. 2 in the past. Both were simply put out on the ground in the backyard. At the height of the two blizzards this winter, the plantings had accumulated 5 1/2 feet of snow on top of them. Right before the snow set it, the trees were exposed to a row of low single digit nighttime temps. The snow, as it melted, pulled thumb diameter (and a little thicker) primary trees , completely to the ground in a tight "u" shaped arc. They didn't break--at least not completely--a couple lost their apex and one or two bigger branches. Both plantings are budding out profusely right now, as if the hard winter never happened.
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: MatsuBonsai on August 03, 2010, 04:39 PM
I love the pic of this encased in ice.  How's it doing during the heat of summer?
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: bwaynef on August 04, 2010, 08:42 AM
Its doing pretty well.  I experimented with defoliating it, except for the sacrifice growing out the top.  I got new, smaller, prettier leaves like I'd hoped.  It just didn't fill in as fully as I'd have liked.  Also, it looks like growth has pretty much halted.  I haven't seen any extension on the sacrifice in a month or so.  Tridents and Japanese Maples right next to it, on the other hand, are growing wild.

I'll update with a picture soon.


Anyone else with amurs?  Care to commiserate or share notes?
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: John Kirby on August 04, 2010, 08:22 PM
I have a couple of stumps that seem to do the same thing when we get really hot, but they have grown a bit in the fall when the temps drop....

John
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: rockm on August 05, 2010, 08:24 AM
Amurs are native to Northern China, Manchuria and Siberia I think. In other words, the species LOVES cooler weather. It is considered an invasive plant in the Northeast and Northern Midwest.

In hot southern summers, however, it slows considerably. I've had many of these for years here in Va. They always slow down their otherwise rampant growth in July and August. They also almost always devleop some kind of leaf spot because of the high humidity levels. This doesn't really affect them all that much, but can look bad.

I leave my Amurs out on the benches all winter with no shelter. They will begin growing in Feb if temps don't stay below 30 F. Makes repotting them a chore.
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: Jerry Norbury on August 20, 2010, 01:46 PM
I have an Amur and several of its offspring in the ground. An amazingly resilient species.

I bought mine in 1985 and abandoning it in my mothers garden in England in a large plant pot in a very shady spot. As far as I can tell she never watered it (England being a wet place in general) but 20 years later it was still alive so I took it to Holland (where I live). It was three times bigger than I could fit in my hand luggage so I chopped ALL the branches off.

Needless to say it gets leaf stripped every year and I take cuttings off it too. Lesser species won't accept this kind of abuse...

It is now 25 years in my possession and has reached the princely height of 7.5 inches or 19cm.

(http://bonsaistudygroup.com/shohin-discussion/amur-maple/?action=dlattach;attach=6785;image)




Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: seth ellwood on August 20, 2010, 02:20 PM
Nice to see one in a more naturalistic style vs a japanese style.
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: JRob on August 20, 2010, 02:28 PM
Jerry,

She's a Shohin beauty. Nice job. Thanks for both pics with & without the foliage,

JRob
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: John Kirby on August 22, 2010, 04:05 PM
OK Seth, I'll bite. Why is this tree "naturalistic" vs Japanese (and why is that something to be proud of?)? It is kind of like that old battery commercial where the actor put a battery on his shoulder and challenged someone to try and knock it off.

 I like this tree a lot, it shows what careful work can start to do with this species. My thoughts were if it were a Japanese tree (a japanese show tree at least) it would have far greater ramification and taper on the branches- something that is very difficult (in my experience) with Amur maples because of their strong growth and lack of response to all but the most careful seasonal pruning and defoliation. I also realize that this tree has actually not been in training the whole time that it has been owned.
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: seth ellwood on August 24, 2010, 07:51 PM
Maybe Japanese was a bad choice of word. What I meant was  I can envision this tree growing in the wild somewhere. It has a nice rounded foilage mass and is a more natural vs the drastic  and triangular shapes as the pine,juniper is usually styled in as well as other trees.To me and maybe I am biased due to my exposure but a good amount of trees I have seen are styled in that fashion that come out of japan( again not all). What I have been experiencing in other parts of the world through forums such as this one is a more natural or native style progressing (Not to say the Japanese do not have these as well again this is based on my personal opinion).This tree to me seems to be going in that direction and I can appreciate that in the design elements.This tree reminds me of a very large oak tree that is growing near where I live.
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: John Kirby on August 24, 2010, 07:59 PM
Thanks, I look at the naked tree, to see structure. Nice work Jerry. John
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: Jerry Norbury on August 25, 2010, 02:23 AM
Thanks both.

Yes, it's unusual that after owning it for 25 years it's only now developing ramification!

I've spent the last few years actually just bringing it back down to this size and dealing with an unruly root system. I will now grow outwards from here but very much in a naturalistic style - as are nearly all my trees. It will remain shohin though (again as are nearly all my trees).
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: bwaynef on March 09, 2011, 02:09 PM
Forgot to update w/ pics that I posted for the TotM contest.

This was after a good wiring.
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: bwaynef on March 09, 2011, 02:11 PM
Not sure its an improvement, but I didn't like it in that deep pot.  I was able to work out several issues with the roots that don't translate well to photographs, but in a few years I'll be able to lift a little more taper out from under the soil.  Thoughts on the new pot?
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: Don Blackmond on March 09, 2011, 02:27 PM
Not sure its an improvement, but I didn't like it in that deep pot.  I was able to work out several issues with the roots that don't translate well to photographs, but in a few years I'll be able to lift a little more taper out from under the soil.  Thoughts on the new pot?

It is a good pot to use while developing the tree.  As for showing the tree, I don't care for the pot.  Imho, it is too big, depth included.  I'd choose a less rustic pot.  Something with soft lines, subtle outward lip, and mellow color probably tan/yellow or light blue/gray.  I'd use an oval shape.  But that is just my opinion.  Take it for what its worth, since I have some humdinger tree/pot combos.   ::)
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: Jerry Norbury on March 09, 2011, 05:27 PM
I'd give you $100 for this any day of the week.
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: Sorce on October 12, 2013, 07:11 AM
Bwayne, Jerry,

   Can we see those Amurs again? I would like to take some cuttings this spring, what works for your Any chance of rooting something thick and old?  Air layer?

 Thanks guys!

Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: bwaynef on October 12, 2013, 09:46 AM
The squirrels got this one.
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: Dan W. on October 12, 2013, 12:36 PM
That's a bummer. This was a cool little amur.
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: Jerry Norbury on October 13, 2013, 08:54 AM
Bwayne, Jerry,

   Can we see those Amurs again? I would like to take some cuttings this spring, what works for your Any chance of rooting something thick and old?  Air layer?

 Thanks guys!



Here back in April as the leaves were coming out. It had a bit of a funny year - there were quite a few fungus issues in my garden.

All the photos of that tree are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/norbury/sets/72157625480843797 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/norbury/sets/72157625480843797)
Title: Re: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: Joshua Hanzman on October 13, 2013, 04:04 PM
There are tons of these near me, they are invasive and I'm tight with one of the head park rangers and he has said I can collect these all I want! If any of you are interested let me know and I'll try to grab some nice ones this spring and offer them up to the study group...

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Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: Sorce on October 14, 2013, 08:56 AM
Bwayne, 
  A bb gun for you.

Jerry,
  Some fungicide.

Joshua,
   An express airbill to send me (and bwaynef) some Amurs!

Thanks.
Title: Re: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: Joshua Hanzman on October 14, 2013, 10:50 PM
Real funny Sorce, I'll get right on that... I got a little excited there I'll admit, but seriously I pull Amour seedlings out of pots that they are not supposed to be in and just toss them out...

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Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: jlushious on October 18, 2013, 06:14 PM
I picked up one of these at the garden centre not long ago. It was dug out of what looked like clay, wrapped in burlap, shoved in a pot and covered with mulch. I got it for $5 and it has a trunk with about a 3in diameter. I pulled it out of the pot, took off the burlap, hand picked a few big chunks of clay out without disturbing the roots too much and then repotted in this giant thing (the best pot I had to use without chopping off a ton of roots at this time of year).

If it survives the winter and spends a few years recovering I think it will look great after I take the height down a bit more.
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: Sorce on October 19, 2013, 06:59 AM
Nice little start Jlush. Love to see it in leaf. If you have a camera that shoots that fast! How long is your growing season up there?  3, maybe four seconds!  ;) 
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: BonsaiEngineer1493 on October 20, 2013, 01:12 AM
Really nice Amurs. I am considering on getting one. What can of pruning techniques can you apply. I'm only familiar with pruning my maple.

 Nick
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: jlushious on October 21, 2013, 06:52 PM
Yes, I am looking forward to seeing how it survives the winter. This is my first zone 3 winter, so it could be interesting! In the future I plan on building a greenhouse, but it's not going to happen this season!
Title: Re: Amur Maple
Post by: Jerry Norbury on December 04, 2014, 04:13 PM
And again...