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Grog

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Twisted shimpaku
« on: March 14, 2011, 03:44 AM »
Double posting, I think a lot of people here don't visit the other forum I posted on so I thought I'd broaden my pool of possible responses.  This is a shimpaku I picked up off ebay last year.  I'm planning to repot into a brown unglazed oval with a bit more volume.  Basically I'm just wondering if people think I should work on refining the tree as is, starting some shari,etc or begin doing something about the reverse taper.  It doesn't bother me now but I'm sure it'll just get worse as time goes on plus I think part of the reason it doesn't bother me much is due to a dearth of trees that are even coming close to a cohesive design.
 

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Re: Twisted shimpaku
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2011, 10:12 AM »
Basically I'm just wondering if people think I should work on refining the tree as is, starting some shari,etc or begin doing something about the reverse taper.

What would you do to fix the reverse taper?
 

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Re: Twisted shimpaku
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2011, 10:34 AM »
The twist is a bit contrived, but you can always mask that by placing branches in the way.  Or, you could wire the trunk again and really smash it for the "yamadori" look.  To eliminate the inverse taper you can always carve some away when you are adding shari.

 

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Re: Twisted shimpaku
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2011, 11:48 AM »
Ditto, Matsu, plus it is a 'yamadori style'. most likely with deadwood soon, reverse taper is not so bad.
 

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Re: Twisted shimpaku
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2011, 07:06 AM »
Grog,
I have to tell you that eBay isn't the best place to buy Bonsai. Let me say first I am an eBay seller (not Bonsai) and I love the site. But some people on eBay are not the most trustworthy. I do not feel buying a tree on line without seeing the tree in 360 degree view is asking for trouble. The seller is going to show the tree at its best.

Now before people jump all over me, I know that there are some excellent Bonsai sellers on eBay, and my comments are not directed at them. BUT.... the common guy does not know which of the eBay sellers are honest and good or not.
Jay

PS even if you are a long distance from a good physical seller, take the trip once or twice a year... avoid buying online
Disclaimer.... I have purchased pre-bonsai on line, mostly great transactions. Both Frank at Sunlight and Bill Valavanas have come through as the picture/description showed
« Last Edit: March 15, 2011, 07:17 AM by Jay »
 

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Re: Twisted shimpaku
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2011, 08:36 AM »
I sell trees online regularly.  My website is www.gregorybeachbonsai.com.  

I have sold on ebay for almost 12 years: http://myworld.ebay.com/dyedb.  Not all ebay bonsai sellers are untrustworthy.  I list my stuff as accurately as possible, and generally have photos showing 4 sides and more.  sure, just as in any other forum/arena/etc., difference of opinion can occur, but for me that is the exception not the norm.  ebay may not be the best place to buy bonsai, but it can be a great place to buy bonsai.

I have sold trees to many bonsai professionals in person, through only photos/descriptions, and through ebay auction.  Its simply a matter of knowing what you are buying.

As for your tree Grog, you can disguise the issue that bothers you by developing the branching and foliage to hide it.  Or, you can make the issue more acceptable by tightening the twists and compacting the trunk.  Or, you can address the issue by cutting out any bulging or carving shari and designing it into the theme of the tree.  If I planned to keep the tree then my first choice would be to scrunch down the trunk and tighten the twist to create more of a contorted ball.  Bulging and inconsistency is normal and part of this design concept.I'd probably carve a full length trunk shari first, then scrunch it down.  My next choice would be to leave the trunk the same height but carve a shari from the base to the tip, reducing any objectionable swelling in the process.  For this, it is more natural looking to have the shari start at a jinned branch, making it look like a lightening strike.  In the end, deciding what to do is all about your personal preference, likes and dislikes.  Study it, decide what you like and don't like, then work it in the manner that makes you happy.
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Re: Twisted shimpaku
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2011, 10:31 AM »
Funny thing about ebay, can be an interesting experience. I met Don Blackmond through an ebay transaction- 6 years ago (I believe), he bought a black pine from me. The pot broke in shipping and I tried to make it right. We have interacted on numerous occasions since. I have sold a lot of trees on ebay, and have had very good luck.

I have purchased quite a few trees from Don, based on pictures only, If you have an idea of what you are looking for it can be a very productive and time saving way to purchase trees. SInce he always has the naked trees photographed, you can even buy deciduous trees with confidence. Now, I have also heard some say that trees are too expensive on line. It all depends on how you value them. I frequently buy trees that are several decades old- what is the value of time? The biggest problem that I see with online buying of trees is that folks don't know what to look for, so when the tree arrives it doesn't meet this false impression that they have set for it.



 

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Re: Twisted shimpaku
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2011, 02:32 PM »
Good memory John.  That is a perfect example of why ebay or on-line tree buying are not taboo.  In that example, I bought that tree from John not knowing him personally but knowing a good tree when I see it (even by picture only).  The pot broke during shipping.  He offered to make it right and his gesture was very reasonable.  There were no issues.  We have done a fair amount of business over the years since then.  I trust him 100% and have no problem doing business with him on his word alone. 
 

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Re: Twisted shimpaku
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2011, 05:02 PM »
So, Don, he made you an offer you couldn't refuse, heh?
John 'nebari' Kirbiano - he is legendary ....
 

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Re: Twisted shimpaku
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2011, 05:10 PM »
I thought his name was John K. Anothernewpotio.

sounds Greek!
 

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Re: Twisted shimpaku
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2011, 06:14 PM »
Thank you much for all the points to ponder.  I've had some heavy copper wire sitting around for a couple years, may be time to put it to good use.  Think it would be wise to slip pot this into something that can take a bit more torque? I'm pretty sure this green thing it's in now would fly apart as soon as someone started cranking on the trunk but I don't want to put too much strain on the tree in one season. 

As to buying online there really isn't another option for me.  This is the boonies.  I don't mind putting in some drive time to get to a class or a show but if I drove for a half a day to get to a bonsai nursery (5 -6 hours to Topeka, 8-9 hours to St. Louis, closest I can think of), didn't find something I wanted, and left empty handed I'm fairly certain I would have an aneurysm on the spot. 

I've actually had really good luck buying online.  I also read and research every vendor and ebay seller before I buy from them.  Except for the little seedling junk I bought when I first got started I've never been disappointed when I've pulled a tree out of the box.  I've been lurking or posting on forums since I first got into bonsai and after years of hearing the same people talk about their experience with certain people and vendors I've gotten a pretty good clue who I'm willing to buy from.
 

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Re: Twisted shimpaku
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2011, 07:39 PM »
Al, I have been known to have a pot or two. Bad thing about hanging around with Boon is that he ensures that you fully understand the relationship between tree and pot, means the collection has grown.

John, I will speak to the godfadda about you.

Thanks Don,

John
 

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Re: Twisted shimpaku
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2011, 10:17 PM »
Don...John.... I believe you are reputable eBay/online sellers, no, I know you are reputable and there are others who are also. It is just that there are far to many who are not. My saying you are reputable does not make it so nor does my opinion that others are not.

My point is there are many individuals who are remote from brick and mortar sellers and find themselves looking on line. I do not know your eBay handles but would guess that you sell with honest info. I'm sure you have seen others that to be kind use less than the total truth to list and describe their items. To those less knowledgeable they just see a big feedback score and figure the individual is reliable 'and at that price...', not always the case.

My attempt was not to dam the good but to alert everyone to the all axiom "if it seems to good, it probably is". 

Finally, I apologize for sending this thread in a direction other than what the originator had desired.

Jay
 

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Re: Twisted shimpaku
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2011, 02:56 AM »
Finally, I apologize for sending this thread in a direction other than what the originator had desired.

Jay
 
Totally unnecessary for several reasons.  First, your post is more interesting than my tree.  No fault of mine, I just can't afford better yet.  It sparked interest my tree wouldn't normally merit.  Second, that is a very wisely worded warning to people who want to buy a tree online.  For example, my ebay search is something along the lines of bonsai in the price range of 50-500 dollars weeding out phrases such as stone, stones, sword, camera, car, cars, katana, shirt, T-shirt, T shirt, bead, beads, beaded, fake, articificial, etc etc etc.  And I'm still looking at about 10 pages of garbage with the occasional good ones.  Then when you do see a tree it starts the whole research into the seller.  Are they just a buyer? That can add to a lot of good ratings that don't mean squat to you when purchasing from them.  Are they in the states?  Are they someone you've heard from?  Long story short, you brought to light important topics and I hope my tree benefits from the additional coverage :)
 

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Re: Twisted shimpaku
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2011, 06:39 AM »
Grog,
Thank you for being understanding, but if we are to continue discussing online purchases, we should probably start a thread on that subject. I appreciate your thoughts.

Jay