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samsoncch

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Japanese Juniper - Before & After Styling
« on: August 03, 2011, 01:08 AM »
Hope i posted on the right threat. I hope to share my Japanese Juniper Before & After styling to u all. Comment is welcome.

P7300243-01 @ Before Styling
P7300261-02 @ 1st Styling - With receive a lot of bad comment
P8010303-02 @ 2nd Styling - Comment is welcome. Hopefully improve from the 1st styling

More photo u can find on my blog. Due to limited attachments on the post. Thanks for viewing.
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Re: Japanese Juniper - Before & After Styling
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2011, 01:17 AM »
Off to a good start. I recommend removing the 2 lowest branches and the jins and then use some very heavy wire and carefully put some dramatic movement in that pencil straight trunk. It is easy to bend junipers when they are a little on the dryer side watering wise. Kind of like celery, when its fresh and full of juice it snaps crisply, but when it starts drying out a little bit it seems to be made of rubber. also try to avoid your upper branches from being bar branches, meaning they should not be directly across from each other.
Being that i just finished reading Niwaki, a book on Japanese landscaping, your tree reminds me of some of those that are more of a topiary style. Keep practicing, because practice makes perfect.
 

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Re: Japanese Juniper - Before & After Styling
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2011, 11:34 AM »
For me, I saw a nice leftward cascade bonsai.  Just my opinion.  Given that, I agree, get some movement in that trunk.  Good Luck!
 

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Re: Japanese Juniper - Before & After Styling
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2011, 01:00 PM »
At this point, I would say there is nothing that can be done to help that long, straight trunk.  I would strongly consider removing it and working with one of the lowest branches as your new trunk line...my choice would be the left one.  There might be a half descent shohin in there if the lowest part of the trunk and roots have any character.
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Re: Japanese Juniper - Before & After Styling
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2011, 05:40 PM »
Hello samsoncch.. There is a young bonsai in there.. It is just a matter of finding it. Since you are just starting out. You could consider this a practice tree. Might be good to start doing some larger scale bending and manipulating branches. Here are 2 virts of what I see. The first one is a sort of bunjin style. Normally, bunjin are older trees, however, for learning purposes, this tree could serve in that capacity. Where I marked in red, would be cut off, in white, jinned. Notice, I am only keeping that one branch on the left and the top. In time, the top will grow out into longer, stronger branches. Also, some slight, subtle curves in the trunk could really improve this tree.

Virt 2 is an informal upright style. In this one, I kept all the branches. Bending the trunk like the virt, will make the tree much shorter and more compact. It will look more full and balanced.

Either way there is some potential there.  ;D

Rob
 

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Re: Japanese Juniper - Before & After Styling
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2011, 09:18 PM »
awesome october!
 

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Re: Japanese Juniper - Before & After Styling
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2011, 01:14 AM »
nathanbs@ - Thanks for the comments and may consider your suggestion. Will explore topiary style in more detail.

Chrisl@ - Thanks for the comment u made.

Dave Murphy@ - Thanks for the comments and may consider your suggestion.

October@ - Thanks for your great suggestion and the efford to explain in detail what can be done. I like both styling. Will let u updates next week when i finally decide..Hm... Very hard to decide....

Nathanbs@ - I think u also agree with October. Thanks.

Hopefully next week i will keep u all updated on the progress on my next styling. Thanks.
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Re: Japanese Juniper - Before & After Styling
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2011, 09:41 AM »
i'm sorry i wasnt suggesting topiary style, i wasnt very clear.  Topiary is very man made, less realistic to what you might find in nature, which is against what bonsai is all about.  I was politely saying your tree reminded me of this style, which ultimately is not good.
 

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Re: Japanese Juniper - Before & After Styling
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2011, 10:46 AM »
nathanbs@ So happy to receive a bad comment with a polite manner. I have being receiving bad comment from other forum far worse that u may not expected but i understand that they just me to learn something in a correct ways. Sorry to misunderstand your meaning. Thanks for the comment nathanbs. I would try my best to improve on my styling technique.
 

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Re: Japanese Juniper - Before & After Styling
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2011, 11:49 AM »
Nice drawings and possibilities October for this tree!  I like the first one a bit better samsoncch.  For whatever that's worth  ;)
 

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Re: Japanese Juniper - Before & After Styling
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2011, 03:27 PM »
Thanks samsoncch..I am glad you like the virts ;D..One thing about bonsai, you will need to have patience and be prepared to do a lot of waiting. 2 of the most impotant things is bonsai is planning and waiting. This tree you are working on can look like the virts. However, you will need to wait about 3 or 4 years or so. Also, do not be discouraged by any negative or harsh comments. Extract the knowledge from them and ignore any of the harsh or unecessary rude comments. There is an extreme amoutn of ciritism in bonsai. That is something that I suspect will always exist.

Also, you have done a decent amount of wiring on this tree. If you do like the virts. It might be a good idea to actually cut off all the wire and let the tree grow freely and get strong until next year. Also,, you will have another year of experience. Then you can rewire with more confidence and create something like these virts. Wiring has set guide lines. Not only for aesthetic reasons, but for the health of the tree. To try to do more bending this season, might cause some of the branching to die. I hope this was helpful.

Rob
 

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Re: Japanese Juniper - Before & After Styling
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2011, 10:15 AM »
Nice suggestions and work Rob.
 

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Re: Japanese Juniper - Before & After Styling
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2011, 01:05 AM »
Hi, Rob

U are right. I think i over stress the plant too much by changing to many styling in a short period of time.. Here is my last styling on the plant and will let the plant grow before next styling to be occur. If i am not wrong the plant is effected with a diseases call "Red Spider" locally call in Malaysia. When u touch the needle it was easy drop off and slow turning yellow. I had already spray some medicine to the plant hopefully it will cure soon..

P8070316 - Last styling
P8070314 - After effected by Red Spider
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