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Species Specific => Shimpaku Juniper Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: John Kirby on September 10, 2012, 08:54 PM

Title: Itoigawa grafted San Jose #2
Post by: John Kirby on September 10, 2012, 08:54 PM
This is the second of the single fiber carved trunk San Jose Junipers  that I have grafted with Itoigawa. This tree was one I picked up from Vicky at House of Bonsai (CA) in 2007 for the LSBF Show. I took this tree home and carved it by pulling fibres of green wood and the Si Dao tools. Mike Hagedorn came and worked on a few trees in May of 2008, one of the things he did was to graft this juniper using side veneer grafts with small pieces of Itoitgawa shimpaku. 5 of the 6 grafts took and I have allowed it to grow and removed all of the San Jose Juniper foliage by fall of 2010. I did an initial wiring to get the tree a little structure. We will see how it develops over the next couple of years.

Before and after.
Title: Re: Itoigawa grafted San Jose #2
Post by: tmmason10 on September 10, 2012, 11:15 PM
Have any good links or info on this fibre carving? I've never heard of it, but I think I can see from these trunks what the principal is.
Title: Re: Itoigawa grafted San Jose #2
Post by: John Kirby on September 11, 2012, 07:18 AM
http://www.sidiao.com/index_e.htm (http://www.sidiao.com/index_e.htm)

The books are great, now in English as well as Chinese. I think Cheng Cheng Kung and colleagues in Taiwan are the finest carvers of bonsai around. Is a fun technique, you can doit with common tools, the 'burins" he designed are nice, I still haven't figured ut how each of the small variation in tool make a big difference in carving.
Title: Re: Itoigawa grafted San Jose #2
Post by: Yenling83 on September 12, 2012, 06:04 PM
http://www.sidiao.com/index_e.htm (http://www.sidiao.com/index_e.htm)

The books are great, now in English as well as Chinese. I think Cheng Cheng Kung and colleagues in Taiwan are the finest carvers of bonsai around. Is a fun technique, you can doit with common tools, the 'burins" he designed are nice, I still haven't figured ut how each of the small variation in tool make a big difference in carving.

I agree about best carving around, I really like his fiber peeling technique for working with fresh juniper dead wood.  I have his tools and book as well.  Now I just need 200 junipers to practice on.   
Title: Re: Itoigawa grafted San Jose #2
Post by: John Kirby on September 12, 2012, 07:41 PM
When do you want them? the 200 junipers that is.... :o
Title: Re: Itoigawa grafted San Jose #2
Post by: Chrisl on September 13, 2012, 12:03 PM
http://www.sidiao.com/index_e.htm (http://www.sidiao.com/index_e.htm)

The books are great, now in English as well as Chinese. I think Cheng Cheng Kung and colleagues in Taiwan are the finest carvers of bonsai around. Is a fun technique, you can doit with common tools, the 'burins" he designed are nice, I still haven't figured ut how each of the small variation in tool make a big difference in carving.

I agree about best carving around, I really like his fiber peeling technique for working with fresh juniper dead wood.  I have his tools and book as well.  Now I just need 200 junipers to practice on.   

Those books and those tools look like top notch products.  And I too thought his fiber peeling technique was interesting.  The tools remind me of dental tools lol  I may just have to get the books and a couple of those tools.
Title: Re: Itoigawa grafted San Jose #2
Post by: Yenling83 on September 13, 2012, 01:23 PM
When do you want them? the 200 junipers that is.... :o

ASAP!!!  I guess you would be the one who could actually deliver. 
Title: Re: Itoigawa grafted San Jose #2
Post by: Dave W on September 14, 2012, 09:20 AM
Hi John,

Another great tree! I just had a quick question about side veneer grafting. What exactly is that? I have grafted with Boon using live whips before, but I'm suspecting that this is something different. Do you have any pictures of the prossess, and advice on the after care?

Very nice tree, with alot of potential. I am looking forward to seeing it's progress.

Thanks,
Dave

Title: Re: Itoigawa grafted San Jose #2
Post by: Elliott on September 14, 2012, 01:43 PM
I prefer itoigawa over kishu grafts. I like the look of the itoigawa and it has a greater resistance to spider mites over Kishu.
 Many people don't realize there are different strains of itoigawa that vary in coarseness.  Here, in the Los Angeles area, the itoigawa that comes from Chikugo-en nursery (Mas and Gary ishi), is the best quality.
 My bonsai teacher has an actual Yamadori itoigawa imported from Japan. Its an awesome tree with great deadwood and all, but his trees with the grafted itoigawa foilage are a little finer.
 I also have the si-dao books. Pretty cool books and I recommend the investment in them, however (and I may be wrong-after all, there is a first time for everything), I can't believe all the wood work done in the si-dao books is only fiber pulling. I bet there is allot of sand blasting going on also. But anyways, anybody into wood work should get these books.
Title: Re: Itoigawa grafted San Jose #2
Post by: dre on September 23, 2012, 01:52 AM
john as for the grafting that was done on your san jose i have a san jose in need of some grafting can you help???
Title: Re: Itoigawa grafted San Jose #2
Post by: John Kirby on September 23, 2012, 12:57 PM
Be happy to, best time to do it is in the spring when they start to push strong, I have itoigawa, kishu and "shimpaku" a bit coarser. John
Title: Re: Itoigawa grafted San Jose #2
Post by: dre on September 23, 2012, 01:33 PM
thanks john i know the technique just never physically did it that would be much appreciated if someone who has successfully did it to help me and kind of show me. this san jose was worked on with nick Lenz and i asked him if i should graft this tree he said no but as the years pass and i see it on my bench i really want to graft it so thats on thing i put on the spring list of things to do 
Title: Re: Itoigawa grafted San Jose #2
Post by: bigDave on September 23, 2012, 05:35 PM
Looks like a good candidate, this vid might help you
Fred Miyahara, putting Shimpaku to San Jose...


http://youtu.be/bG1vZzEhn-w (http://youtu.be/bG1vZzEhn-w)


Title: Re: Itoigawa grafted San Jose #2
Post by: dre on September 23, 2012, 06:22 PM
wow bigdave thank you that video is the best one i've seen on you tube just one question where was that workshop at so i can adjust the timing
Title: Re: Itoigawa grafted San Jose #2
Post by: bigDave on October 02, 2012, 11:43 PM
wow bigdave thank you that video is the best one i've seen on you tube just one question where was that workshop at so i can adjust the timing
Hey Dre,
Sorry slow to respond....San Diego... California

Hope you have great success
Title: Re: Itoigawa grafted San Jose #2
Post by: dre on October 03, 2012, 10:49 AM
thanks i hope all goes well if successful the tree would look best with itoigawa but i know nick lenz is gonna ask me why i did it but its on my to do list this coming spring
Title: Re: Itoigawa grafted San Jose #2
Post by: Dave W on October 04, 2012, 11:07 AM
Big Dave,

That's probably the most useful video I have seen since Boon's series came out.

Thanks,
Little Dave
Title: Re: Itoigawa grafted San Jose #2
Post by: bigDave on October 06, 2012, 04:24 PM
Big Dave,

That's probably the most useful video I have seen since Boon's series came out.

Thanks,
Little Dave
Thanks Man...Daves Rule
Title: Re: Itoigawa grafted San Jose #2
Post by: dre on October 06, 2012, 10:51 PM
i'm looking forward to doing this to my tree its gonna look 5 time better once the grafts take and grow cant wait