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John Kirby

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Crazy Itoigawa Shimpaku
« on: August 15, 2009, 04:39 PM »
This is an Itoigawa Shimpaku that I have had for a number of years. Mike Hagedorn styled the tree a couple of years ago and repositioned the top to give the base a more acute angle to the  ground. I really like what he did. This tree was growing strongly and I was hoping to show this year, however it was attacked by spider mites while I was on the road in June- we had a major hot dry spell, and it lost a couple of medium sized branches and just looked ratty. So, I took the wire off, cleaned it up a bit and then rewired it while watching the PGA tournament.

I didn't take a before picture, sorry, but it was growing straight up and looked pretty bad. Anyway, it is Chuchin size and now is at least ready to grow back and get recovered, maybe next year to show. I now that the front view gives a sense of spare foliage, the top view- the front is at the bottom of the picture- should give a good sense of density.

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Re: Crazy Itoigawa Shimpaku
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2009, 05:07 PM »
Hey John,

Great twisty juniper.  Do you know approx how old it is?  Was it field grown or yamadori, and is it grafted?  I really like chuhin sized junipers.

I wonder what your final plan for it will be.  In my head I see it tilted 10-20 degrees to the right with a little less foliage, but honestly you could probably come up with many good designs.

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Re: Crazy Itoigawa Shimpaku
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2009, 09:32 PM »
Alex,
Don't know if will tilt back; that is where it started. I think next year I will need to reduce the number of branches to thin out, but health wise I am not comfortable doing so. It kind of reminds of an octopus (or those critters in the Matrix movie (3rd one?)).

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Re: Crazy Itoigawa Shimpaku
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2009, 04:51 PM »
I've got a stupid beginner question and this seemed like a good place for it. I've read that bonsai should appear round when viewed from above as this beauty does. Now I might have read this while hallucinating but in looking at finished trees at four different bonsai nurseries in the LA area almost none of them looked round when viewed from above. Is this another one of those " rules " that are followed only when the tree wants to ? BTW , none of my little trees are round.
 

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Re: Crazy Itoigawa Shimpaku
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2009, 05:19 PM »
Dwight,
I think it should look more like an O than an I when looked at from above. Many trees will \have a strong branch that when looked at from above make the tree look more like a triangle than an ).

That help?

Good question- it all goes to the concept of depth- we want trees that have depth, not just 2D.
Thus my old joke: If you only have one eye, you don't need back branches. ( get it no depth perception...)

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Re: Crazy Itoigawa Shimpaku
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2009, 02:45 PM »
W#atch it , I'm blind in my right eye buster. It does play havoc with depth preception so I'm constantly moving a tree round and round while looking at it. I guess the round from the top would work with a few of my trees if it was more of an oval or rounded triangle as you suggest. I get the idea of not having a flat tree. Damn thing would look like a hedge.
 

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Re: Crazy Itoigawa Shimpaku
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2011, 09:09 AM »
I really like this Juniperus chinensis var. Sargentii Itoigawa Shimpaku Juniper.  Any updates on this one?
« Last Edit: October 07, 2011, 09:11 AM by MatsuBonsai »
 

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Re: Crazy Itoigawa Shimpaku
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2011, 10:14 AM »
I really like this Juniperus chinensis var. Sargentii Itoigawa Shimpaku Juniper.  Any updates on this one?

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Re: Crazy Itoigawa Shimpaku
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2011, 10:25 AM »
beautiful tree. Update please. Good one Matsu.
 

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Re: Crazy Itoigawa Shimpaku
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2011, 04:18 PM »
This little Shimpaku is doing quite well. Will post pictures after we repot and reposition branches in the spring.
 

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Re: Crazy Itoigawa Shimpaku
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2011, 10:01 PM »
First off, what a beautiful tree and very nicely done photographs. !   John, knowing you study with Boon, I noticed in the top shot photo, that the very first curve you put on the secondary branching seems to be random,  I watched Boon's dvd and I thought he said to bend in the same direction.  Did I misunderstand him?  (I've gotta watch it again perhaps ;) )

 

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Re: Crazy Itoigawa Shimpaku
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2011, 07:54 AM »
Chris, well they aren't random, rewatch the video. You have to wire the branches that make up the apex differently than the "drop" branches or you have no canopy or apex. John
 

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Re: Crazy Itoigawa Shimpaku
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2011, 02:38 PM »
Oh, that makes sense. This is quite an important aspect of wiring a tree, to have a realistic looking apex. 
 And I absolutely will re watch them again....for the 5th time at least lol  But he covers so much information, it's easy to miss something.  Heck, I've watched the wiring dvd at least 10-15x.   ;D
 

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Re: Crazy Itoigawa Shimpaku
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2011, 03:15 AM »
if the part of the trunk where all the live branching starts can be bent severly, I see a cool semi cascade. Tilt the whole tree hard to the left (our right) and bend the trunk so the apex is upright again. Don't know if its possible, but it looks good when I turn my computer on its side. LOL!
 

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Re: Crazy Itoigawa Shimpaku
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2011, 07:39 AM »
Interesting. The tree used to be way left (our right) both Marco and Mike Hagedorn moved the tree the opposite direction, to get it where it is now (Mike repotted it to the angle you see here). Differences in perspective always give interesting ideas. Thanks.