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Adair M

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Re: An over pinched Itoigawa
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2015, 11:31 AM »
Here it is after initial wiring. It's a lot more open. As you can see, sunlight can now penetrate to the interior. I wonder how long it's been?

I can still tweek the wiring once Gremel gets me some 20 gauge!

About the lack of assymetry:  Owen is right. The two lower left branches are half as thick as the two right ones. And they're the ones with the juvenile foliage, too. I could Jin them!  And add some shari to an otherwise plain trunk.

For now, I'll leave it alone. And let it recover.

And maybe a Frozen Martaritta! More my style than a Mint Julip.
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Owen Reich

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Re: An over pinched Itoigawa
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2015, 11:41 AM »
Now now, the Asheville Expo is what we make of it.  How about a redneck mudman with Rayon hat and lawn chair?

Seriously though, that event is a proving ground for novel display concepts.  Working out my display now, but here's my Virginia creeper in Hagedorn container:
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Owen Reich

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Re: An over pinched Itoigawa
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2015, 08:16 PM »
Something like this might be nice:

Just a thought.  After those cut-backs, something in scale with the trunk size and height may be appealing. 
« Last Edit: August 04, 2015, 08:18 PM by Owen Reich »
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Adair M

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Re: An over pinched Itoigawa
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2015, 09:03 PM »
Something like that would be nice, Owen. Unfortunately, right now, there is no foliage within 4 inches of the trunk. And that's up at the apex. Down low, more like 6 to 8 inches.

It will be a while before there will be sufficient interior growth to be able cut back that far.

Now, I could bend the branches back and forth to "shorten" them, but then they would be all out of character with the trunk.
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Re: An over pinched Itoigawa
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2015, 09:49 PM »
Right.  I'm talking two years out.
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Adair M

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Re: An over pinched Itoigawa
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2015, 12:07 PM »
Gotcha, Owen, thanks.

Now that I've got it all wired out, you can see the branch structure when looking inside. And it's kinda like looking back in time. Kind of like an archeologist.

Looking in, most of the branches branch about 2 inches from the trunk. Then they go on a couple or 3 inches inches, then they
branch again into the multitude of crotch branches, all weak, and again about they are 2 to 3 inches long.

So, my take from this:  when the tree left Japan, the foliage was at where the first set of branching is. Closest to the trunk. Then, it sat in quarantine for three years with no maintenance. And the branches grew to where the second set of branches start. The ones with all the crotch twigs. And from there, these have elongated slowly over the past 8 years as he sheared back.

What would be interesting would be to see if I could get the canopy reduced back to the way it looked when it left Japan. Or close.

I bet that would be close to Owen's virtual.

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Re: An over pinched Itoigawa
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2015, 12:26 PM »
Quote from: Adair M on August 05, 2015, 12:07 PM
Looking in, most of the branches branch about 2 inches from the trunk. Then they go on a couple or 3 inches inches, then they
branch again into the multitude of crotch branches, all weak, and again about they are 2 to 3 inches long.

So, my take from this:  when the tree left Japan, the foliage was at where the first set of branching is. Closest to the trunk. Then, it sat in quarantine for three years with no maintenance. And the branches grew to where the second set of branches start. The ones with all the crotch twigs. And from there, these have elongated slowly over the past 8 years as he sheared back.

It is too bad you don't have a pic of this.
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Adair M

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Re: An over pinched Itoigawa
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2015, 01:02 PM »
Hard to show something like that in a photo, Oso, here's the best I could do. Seeing it live, you see it better, especially when put on a turn table and turned.
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Re: An over pinched Itoigawa
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2015, 01:39 PM »
I'm very much looking forward to seeing how this evolves, particularly how much backbudding occurs (and how quickly).

Chris
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Re: An over pinched Itoigawa
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2015, 03:49 PM »
Quote from: coh on August 05, 2015, 01:39 PM
I'm very much looking forward to seeing how this evolves, particularly how much backbudding occurs (and how quickly).

Chris
Me too!
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Adair M

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Re: An over pinched Itoigawa
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2015, 05:20 PM »
Me three!

I'm thinking that more thinning is required, especially on the lowest branches. There's just a lot of redundant branches. Long spindly ones with just a tuft of weak foliage at the end. It doesn't have well structured branches 2 with left/right alternating sub branches and then tertiary branches.

I've allowed sunlight in. Now, nature needs to do her thing. And I'll continue to thin and cut back.
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Re: An over pinched Itoigawa
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2015, 07:40 PM »
Too many branches GrassHopper. If you pruned it like Owen Suggests, it will be in scale but without ant scale foliage as it will most likely completely revert to juvenile needle foliage. Prune it after it gets strong again. Nice tree.
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Re: An over pinched Itoigawa
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2015, 09:37 PM »
Quote from: Owen Reich on August 04, 2015, 09:49 PM
Right.  I'm talking two years out.


I suppose I should have written "I would cut the shimpaku back closer to this design in the coming two years once healthy". 

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Re: An over pinched Itoigawa
« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2015, 12:09 AM »
Understand, most of yhe brginner lurkers won't. I like the plan.
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Re: An over pinched Itoigawa
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2015, 08:27 AM »
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