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shimsuki

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Rare Variety Whip
« on: May 04, 2010, 06:10 PM »
I got this last Saturday from Dave. It is a rare variety called Otakumi. I slip-potted it the other day and am going to let it grow for another year before wiring it; Dave told me young satsukis don't like to be wired. I'll post pics of the flowers when they open, I am not going to leave them on for more than a day because I want the energy directed towards growing.

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Re: Rare Variety Whip
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2010, 11:59 PM »
Shimsuki,
If you want the tree to save energy for growth, you need to remove the flower buds before they open.
Once the tree has expended the energy to create the flower, there is little to be gained by removing it.

Otokumi is a rather rare variety.  Very slow growing.
Good luck with it,

Chris
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Re: Rare Variety Whip
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2010, 07:19 AM »
Wouldn't you want to wire the trunk now to get some movement in it?

Dave
 

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Re: Rare Variety Whip
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2010, 07:49 AM »
Wouldn't you want to wire the trunk now to get some movement in it?

Dave

I do, but it is still to young. If you wire a young satsuki, I am told, then it will not push as hard and be a very slow grower.
 

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Re: Rare Variety Whip
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2010, 07:52 AM »
Shimsuki,
If you want the tree to save energy for growth, you need to remove the flower buds before they open.
Once the tree has expended the energy to create the flower, there is little to be gained by removing it.

Otokumi is a rather rare variety.  Very slow growing.
Good luck with it,

Chris
Telperion Farms

Chris, I am aware of that, which is why I will only let a few open.

On the contrary, Dave Kruetz told me just as energy goes into making the flower, once it opens energy will go into making seeds, which is why people pick the flowers off satsukis.

Regards,
Shim
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Re: Rare Variety Whip
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2010, 08:15 AM »
This confirms a discussion we had a few weeks back.  Once the flower is created (and opens) ...it takes no energy to MAINTAIN the flower, so picking it off after a day is only masochistic.  As long as the flower's gone before seeds are created then there's no additional expenditure of energy.

All the whips I've ever seen wired, necessarily have been young..
 

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Re: Rare Variety Whip
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2010, 01:47 PM »
Dave K has a heck more experience with azaleas then I do...still, I would think that IF you were planning on wiring to shape the trunk, it would make sense to do it while the trunk is relatively thin and flexable.  I also have a hard time believing that wiring this whip now would stunt its growth forever.  Maybe for the growing season after being stressed by the wiring, but the following year it would have recovered, and should grow normally fr that given cultivar.


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Re: Rare Variety Whip
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2010, 09:21 PM »
I agree Dave, I have just wired a number of whips produced from last years cuttings and they were still green and flexible.

If it is the case then I am going to have a number of 'slow growing' azaleas that will not push growth!  :o

Mind you, although I do not know Dave K, I have heard from many knowledgable people that he knows what the go is.

I know that I would like to know what his thoughts are, maybe you could ask him to reaffirm your understanding and let us know Shimsuki?

thanks

Scott
 

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Re: Rare Variety Whip
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2010, 10:01 PM »
Wire them as whips, get your bends in to them and then push them. The first year with wire they will be slower than you might expect, but they will catch up just fine. Having a good tree with movement and a little slower growth is certainly better than a straight tree with lots of growth- think Telephone pole. Look at what the Japanese do- wire whip, plant out, grow out.
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Re: Rare Variety Whip
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2010, 07:56 AM »
I should add as a side note that this is not a normal sized whip. It is a little thinner than a pencil. It is also shorter than normal whips, this one being around a foot tall. Dave told me we will wire after one or two more years of growth. By then it will be normal whip size. Also he might be thinking since these were brought in from japan last year, they might need a little more time. It will be the size of a normal whip when I wire it, and yes, whips are wired all the time at his place. I wired about 50 last year, but they are 3 ft. tall whips twice the thickness of this one.

Sorry for the confusion,
Shim