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ken duncan

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Chinzan on a rock
« on: July 13, 2009, 12:38 PM »
This tree was planted on this rock about 15 years ago.
I am not sure what way to go with it. I thought about cutting it way back to make a smaller tree, or it could be trained into a tree with much longer branches to give it a more open effect.
What do You think, maybe some virts?
Ken 
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Re: Chinzan on a rock
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2009, 06:25 PM »
here you go Ken...two options

the first is going smaller and the second would be with continued growth..

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ken duncan

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Re: Chinzan on a rock
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2009, 06:33 PM »
Irene and John, Thank You for the virts.
Ken
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Re: Chinzan on a rock
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2009, 11:08 PM »
I think it would be best if you go smaller with this tree like John's virt.  A bigger tree with more foliage would detract from the root over rock portion of the tree by dwarfing the size of the rock.  A small tree would give more impact.  At first I was thinking to remove all but one trunk and start from there but in doing so you would need to grow out the single trunk to create a better taper transition, in doing so, the roots would ever take the rock.  So in the end I think I would choose those three trunks in John's virt and go that direction.  I have never seen (or dont think I've seen) a multi-trunk root over rock before.

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ken duncan

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Re: Chinzan on a rock
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2009, 06:46 AM »
Thank You Tom.
I also think that smaller would be better.
Ken
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Re: Chinzan on a rock
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2009, 12:43 PM »
Quote from: JTGJr25 on July 13, 2009, 11:08 PM
I think it would be best if you go smaller with this tree like John's virt.  A bigger tree with more foliage would detract from the root over rock portion of the tree by dwarfing the size of the rock.  A small tree would give more impact.  At first I was thinking to remove all but one trunk and start from there but in doing so you would need to grow out the single trunk to create a better taper transition, in doing so, the roots would ever take the rock.  So in the end I think I would choose those three trunks in John's virt and go that direction.  I have never seen (or dont think I've seen) a multi-trunk root over rock before.

Tom

I agree
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Re: Chinzan on a rock
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2009, 08:13 PM »
i definitely feel that the top could use a little styling for sure. i would go smaller personally, i think if one would go to big, it would dwarf the rock and pull too much attention from it, ya need to find that happy medium   :) The roots on the other hand are absolutely amazing!!!!! :o
 
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ken duncan

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Re: Chinzan on a rock
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2009, 08:03 AM »
roelex14, Thank You for your reply. I have been looking at this tree for some time, now it is time to make a move, good or bad.
Ken
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ken duncan

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Re: Chinzan on a rock
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2009, 12:27 PM »
I did a little work on this guy today, needs a lot more over time.
Pic one shows what I think needs to be the front at this point, that can change down the road as it grows. This front was chosen because  the tallest trunk is leaning that direction. You can see this in the second pic. that was taken from the side. To improve the tree it may be rotated cc a bit at the next re-potting.
I like to take small steps with some trees so that I leave as many options open as possible. The back trunk bothers me, but by leaving extra branches  it may not help the design at the time but this tree is far from being a good Bonsai and you never know if one of then may die or if the front will be changed later on, I do like the roots on that side.
It may be a good Bonsai a few years down the road, that is the plan, we will have to see what develops.
Ken
« Last Edit: August 01, 2009, 12:35 PM by ken duncan »
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JTGJr25

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Re: Chinzan on a rock
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2009, 06:07 PM »
wow after seeing that second pic I think you should work towards making that your front.  I think you have the right idea by taking it slow and take time to think about your options.  I would feed it and let it grow like crazy for the rest of the year and maybe next growing season you'll have everything you need to make a convincing image.  Those roots are amazing.


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ken duncan

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Re: Chinzan on a rock
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2009, 07:02 PM »
Tom, thank You for your reply.
Ken
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ken duncan

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Re: Chinzan on a rock
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2010, 09:47 AM »
Here is how this tree looks with flowers.
Ken
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Re: Chinzan on a rock
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2010, 12:20 AM »
any update on this guy?
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Re: Chinzan on a rock
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2010, 08:30 PM »
I really like the last picture. I think it shows the best current branch placement and roots over the rock.  Really a great looking tree.
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