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Short Ponderosa--possible JBP graft candidate

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shimsuki:

--- Quote from: Potawatomi13 on March 24, 2015, 09:47 AM ---Personally if you want a black pine get a black pine and if you're not really happy with a ponderosa as a ponderosa then let someone have it that appreciates them for their own beauty.  I feel that grafting anything else on this great native tree is an abominable thing to do.

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Don't let your love for this species cloud your judgement about wheter grafting JBP is a bad idea or not. It makes a lot of sense to graft JBP onto Shohin ponderosas, you get the great bark and trunk thickness of the collected tree combined with the short needles of the black pine. The large ponderosa needles tend to not work well on Shohin because they destroy the illusion of scale. Also some people don't have the time or money to grow or purchase a nice Shohin black pine. I'm not saying that grafting is what I would do, but it is a logical solution here that shouldn't be considered abominable. Grafting is done all the time in this art form.

Here is Mike's posts that relate to this thread.

http://crataegus.com/2010/03/29/grafting-on-ponderosa/

http://crataegus.com/2011/04/25/black-pine-grafted-ponderosa-styled/

PS- the Japanese tend to hate ponderosa foliage (not that that should entirely matter to us, but just something to note)

Andrew

Potawatomi13:
While Black pines have different bark they still have their own beauty which should also be respected for it's own sake.  Collected Ponderosas are likely older than our grandparents and possibly several more generations and turning them into a Frankensteins monster tree shows a complete lack of respect for something beautiful that only God can create.  Are we showing humility and respect by destroying such a wonderful and old living thing?  Yes destroying.  Every species of tree that is a genuine from the mountain tree deserves the greatest respect and humility in the way I treat it and it grieves me that many others do not feel this way.

M. Frary:
   I'd graft it to get rid of those long ass needles. They never look right to me on a bonsai.

Baldemotions:
The needles on this ponderosa reduced from about 7" down to 1"-1.5" It is possible to reduce the needles on ponderosa pines with the right technique.



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