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Species Specific => Ponderosa Pine Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: jlushious on March 12, 2014, 10:13 AM

Title: Ponderosa?
Post by: jlushious on March 12, 2014, 10:13 AM
I am hesitantly IDing this as a ponderosa, it has bundles of 3 needles, bluish green, at least 3in long. Sorry about the awkward colour of the photos - stupid accidental iphone filters...

Any advice? Mostly it's just growing away right now and recovering from last years collection, but I am wondering if anyone can point me to any ponderosa resources (books, sites, threads on here etc.) on needle pulling and care. Or do I just treat it like a 2-needle pine?

Title: Re: Ponderosa?
Post by: thomas tynan on March 12, 2014, 10:27 AM
Try to locate the Larry Jackel book on Ponderosa Pines. older article in International Bonsai by Walter Pall on Ponderosa Pines. Tom
Title: Re: Ponderosa?
Post by: bwaynef on March 12, 2014, 11:01 AM
Also, instragram-filtered photos make it difficult when you're seeking an ID (although, technically, I see you're not seeking an ID; just hesitant in your own ID).
Title: Re: Ponderosa?
Post by: jlushious on March 12, 2014, 12:40 PM
Thanks I will take a look. I saw that book mentioned in a few of the threads in this section.

I didn't intend to use the filters, I think I accidentally pressed a bunch of things while trying to get photos. I didn't notice the colour until I downloaded them to my PC   :-\
Title: Re: Ponderosa?
Post by: Yenling83 on March 12, 2014, 06:02 PM
Hey Jlushious

Nice work so far! This is the type of material that is good to start out collecting.  As you gain more confidence with success you can collect larger and older trees.  What type of soil/growing medium did you use?  I would suggest pure sifted and washed pumice for collected trees.  I would also suggest not performing any major styling or anything else except watering and feeding now.  I would not worry about needle size, just getting the tree really healthy for now. 

Title: Re: Ponderosa?
Post by: jlushious on March 12, 2014, 07:27 PM
It's in a really well draining mix that I am using in my zone. It's turface, lava and perlite. We get really hot drying winds in the summer as well as extreme freeze/thaw cycles all winter. This is my first experiences with the weather here, so I hope I am doing the right thing with soil selections.
Title: Re: Ponderosa?
Post by: Adair M on March 12, 2014, 10:06 PM
Assuming that is a pondy, you treat it like a Japanese WHITE pine, or 5 needle pine.  Do not treat it like a BLACK pine.
Title: Re: Ponderosa?
Post by: jlushious on March 13, 2014, 11:45 AM
Thanks Adair! Will do.
Title: Re: Ponderosa?
Post by: jlushious on March 13, 2014, 08:04 PM
Snapped better photos. I actually collected two. Both are kind of leaning right now, but I would like to make the first photo a slant style and the second photo more of an informal upright in a few years when I repot them.

Watched a few of Ryan Neil's white pine youtube videos and read through some more of the threads here and am pretty much just going to leave them for a few years to get established. Gives me lots of time to figure out what to do with them!
Title: Re: Ponderosa?
Post by: Adair M on March 13, 2014, 08:30 PM
Ryan has a nice video of him styling a large pondy.  In it he tells tales of his apprenticeship.  I think it was at the Midwest Bonsai Club?  (Not sure of that.)

Larry Jackel has written the definitive book on Ponderosa.  Available again at Stone Lantern.  Our own John Kirby wrote a chaper!

Title: Re: Ponderosa?
Post by: jlushious on March 13, 2014, 08:36 PM
Yes, I have a line on buying a copy of that book from amazon. I really like these two that I collected and don't want to kill em!

I will add that video of Ryan to my list, I only got through a few today.
Title: Re: Ponderosa?
Post by: Potawatomi13 on March 24, 2015, 09:16 AM
I also have Larrys book and mentioned that to Ryan when I met him last summer and he disagrees.  Don't decandle or remove needles except on the bottom of the branches.  The more needles to give the tree strength the more strength to back bud.  Also don't worry about needle length until "final" development to show.  Another way to help with back budding is to fertilize very little in the summer and then after the needles are hardened off really pour it on and that strength will encourage the new buds to pop out for next years growth.  I feel very blessed to have been able to talk to Ryan and buy some trees directly from Randy Knight and have asked them a lot of questions.  Ponderosas are now my favorite trees.  8) 8)