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Species Specific => Ponderosa Pine Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: dre on October 07, 2012, 07:55 PM

Title: Ponderosa Pine technique
Post by: dre on October 07, 2012, 07:55 PM
i just acquired an Ponderosa Pine and looking for tips on care i have many jbp but dont own Ponderosa Pine any tips would be great
Title: Re: Ponderosa Pine technique
Post by: Jason E on October 13, 2012, 09:48 PM
Try and find a copy of Larry Jackels book- Ponerosa Pines as Bonsai.
I havent been able to find a copy to buy, but was able to borrow one.
Title: Re: Ponderosa Pine technique
Post by: John Kirby on October 13, 2012, 10:06 PM
JMEK,
I asked Larry about a reprint of the book when I was at ABS in Denver this summer, he said one was in the works. I will see him at a workshop I am doing in Denver in a few weeks, will ask him again. John
Title: Re: Ponderosa Pine technique
Post by: Dan W. on October 13, 2012, 11:49 PM
John, do you have the details for the workshop? I'd love to come down from WY. I can look up the RMBS info as well...I assume you're coming to an event for them?
Title: Re: Ponderosa Pine technique
Post by: John Kirby on October 14, 2012, 09:22 AM
Dan, it is a follow up to the summer session at ABS/BCI. I have to be in Denver for work starting Saturday evening the 10th, so on the 10th we will be doing the Fall black pine work. So, check with RMBS and contact them. Should be fun.
Title: Re: Ponderosa Pine technique
Post by: Dan W. on October 14, 2012, 03:04 PM
Thank's John, I sent you a PM.

Dre, I believe ponderosa are treated more like a white pine than JBP, for the most part. - Someone with more experience may correct me though....
Title: Re: Ponderosa Pine technique
Post by: Adair M on May 16, 2013, 08:16 AM
I took a workshop with Larry, and he continues to promise that a new edition of his ponderosa book will be coming out.  (We worked on a yamadori Colorado Blue Spruce.  Matsu, I'll post a pic sometime... It DID happen!)

Meanwhile, I have a little pondy, and the needles are just emerging.  Last year's long needles are still there, and there are some 2 year old needles hanging on as well.  The two year old needles are turning (or have turned) brown.  But they're still rather firmly attached.

This is my first pondy, so I'm wondering:  Should I leave the old 2 year old needles and let them fall off?  Cut them really, really short?  Or pluck them like I would on a JBP?

I'm thinking I should cut them really, really short, just in case there's a bud there somewhere that might want to pop in the future.

And, again, I'll try to get a picture.  <grin>
Title: Re: Ponderosa Pine technique
Post by: John Kirby on May 16, 2013, 09:29 AM
Cut them short.
Title: Re: Ponderosa Pine technique
Post by: Chrisl on May 16, 2013, 10:54 AM
Adair, on my burlap Pondy I got last yr. I haven't done a thing to it, and it's popping buds EVERYWHERE.  It's very impressive.  So I'm starting to believe to leave all needles alone, feed and sun, and develop the back buds before I do anything to it.  I'm willing to wait 2-3 yrs if this continues.  Just my thinking these days.
Title: Re: Ponderosa Pine technique
Post by: Adair M on May 16, 2013, 11:16 AM
This one was collected a couple of years ago, and had been wired to give it some rough styling.  I repotted it into a proper bonsai pot and removed most (if not all) of the remaining duff.  It had been half barerooted before, it appeared.  I had to put in a couple of wood blocks under the trunk to support it until the roots can grow to do the job on their own.  It's firmly wired in.

When I got it, it was in a thin plastic pot, in good soil, but not wired in.  It wobbled around a good bit.  That's not good for developing roots.  So, my repotting should help.  I also positioned the tree to be more upright.  It had been potted with the trunk horizonal.

It is backbudding nicely, and I'll just let it be for a while, now that I have removed the 2 year old needles.

I promise I'll get a picture!  Maybe tonight...
Title: Re: Ponderosa Pine technique
Post by: John Kirby on May 16, 2013, 11:33 AM
In Georgia beware of summer fungus
Title: Re: Ponderosa Pine technique
Post by: Adair M on May 16, 2013, 11:41 AM
Daconil?

How often?
Title: Re: Ponderosa Pine technique
Post by: John Kirby on May 17, 2013, 07:26 AM
Now,idJuly, early october
Title: Re: Ponderosa Pine technique
Post by: Adair M on May 17, 2013, 07:33 AM
Thanks, John.

I sprayed with Daconil a week or so ago.  So I'm good until July!

That's when I decandle my Black Pines, so it will be easy to remember to spray the Pondy when I decandle the others.

Boon is in town, doing the Atlanta Bonsai Society gig.  I'll see him tomorrow at the show, and I'm taking my big JBP to a workshop with him on Sunday.