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Adair M

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Ponderosa needing a bend
« on: May 07, 2014, 07:35 AM »
Here's my Pondy. The long branch to the right needs to be bent back to give it some depth.

I would have done it sooner, but I don't think think its strong enough. So, I'm giving it time to power up. I'm lightly fertilizing now. I could give it some more.
 

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Re: Ponderosa needing a bend
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2014, 12:21 PM »
Nice Adair.

  Keeping it ponderosa or grafting?

Love the trunk.
 

Adair M

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Re: Ponderosa needing a bend
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2014, 03:50 PM »
I'm keeping the Pondy foliage, at least for now.  Last summer, the needles that grew were about 1/2 the length of the old ones.  There are still some old needles on it now.  I didn't cut them off as I think the tree is still weak from being collected, and I wanted as much food factory working as possible.

It is back budding some, so that's a benefit.

In Larry Jackel's book, he describes a "Fall Decandling" technique.  Says it produces a lot of backbudding.  But should only be done once in the life of the bonsai.  (OR at least wait several years between doing it.)  I asked Kirby about it, and he recommended only doing it with really healthy trees.

So, I'll hold off for a while.

I will pay more attention to mulching in the pot during the summer to try to keep the roots cool.  Last summer was relatively cool, and the pot was shaded by daylilies.
 

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Re: Ponderosa needing a bend
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2014, 04:12 PM »
Nice.

 

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Re: Ponderosa needing a bend
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2014, 08:57 PM »
My buddy in IA pruned his pondy pretty hard in late August while styling it, and it back budded almost to the trunk the next spring.  Yours has good movement.
 

Adair M

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Re: Ponderosa needing a bend
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2014, 10:12 PM »
Here's an updated picture. I cut off the 3 year old needles, and it looks much better. It has last year's and this year's needles now. I just gave it some poo balls, too.
 

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Re: Ponderosa needing a bend
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2014, 11:25 PM »
Very nice movement and feel, Adair.
 

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Re: Ponderosa needing a bend
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2014, 07:39 AM »
Even sideways it's really eye catching.  I like this pondy.
 

John Kirby

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Re: Ponderosa needing a bend
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2014, 09:26 AM »
Very nice Adair, it is working towards being compact, important yet hard to do with these collected trees (without time and wire).
 

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Re: Ponderosa needing a bend
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2014, 09:57 AM »
Great tree Adair.  Love the movement, along w. great taper.  Now some ramification ;)
 

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Re: Ponderosa needing a bend
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2014, 05:27 PM »
sorry was distracted by how nice your surroundings are! great pondy too!
 

Adair M

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Re: Ponderosa needing a bend
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2014, 03:33 PM »
It's raining today, so no picture.

I think I had mentioned that I had found that the tree had been knocked over, and it's roots disturbed last year.  So, I repotted and retied it securely in the pot.  When I did so, I found it only had one live root, it was quite long.   So, I kept all of it, and let it coil around the bottom of the pot.

The good news is the tree is thriving.  The bad news is the new needles are long.  I'll take a healthy tree every time.

It was a choice on my part.  Last year, I withheld fertilizer during the spring needle growing season to get shorter needles.  It worked.  They were only about 2 inches.  This year, however, knowing that I only had that one good root, I didn't want to take any chances, so I kept up the fertilizer.  Lo and behold, 4 inch needles!

So that means it's healthy.  No die back.  Ramification can wait.  (It needs it, but not until it's really strong.)

Now the plan for the year is maybe remove the existing wire late winter, and when Boon comes in the spring we can see if we can bend that branch to the back.  Then back on the "no spring fertilizer" program.

--OR--

Another spring of fertilizing, then do the "Fall candle removal" technique as described in Larry Jackel's book.  It is supposed to promote heavy back budding, which would result in better ramification. 

The "Fall candle removal" can be done "once".  You should only do it on strong trees.  This tree may not yet be strong enough.  We'll wait and see.  Maybe wait another year for that.
 

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Re: Ponderosa needing a bend
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2014, 08:34 PM »
Wait. The Technique is hit and miss. You can shorten the needles by letting them get dense. Leave the old needles until they turn brown, year 4. Ponderosa's grow great roots in good potting medium, the next time you repot it, wound the woody main root and put a little sphagnum on the surface. Really nice tree.
 

Adair M

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Re: Ponderosa needing a bend
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2014, 10:48 PM »
John,

It's in Boon Mix.  As you would expect.  I got all the mountain duff off last time I repotted.  I'll get a pic up tomorrow, if it stops raining.
 

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Re: Ponderosa needing a bend
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2014, 12:07 PM »
Wait. The Technique is hit and miss. You can shorten the needles by letting them get dense. Leave the old needles until they turn brown, year 4. Ponderosa's grow great roots in good potting medium, the next time you repot it, wound the woody main root and put a little sphagnum on the surface. Really nice tree.

Ditto John, I've heard the same from a couple pros.  Good news Adair it pulled thru!  So important to have trees wired in well...yesterday, I was cleaning old growth, crotch br, and cleaning the live vein on 'my practice' rmj  (but ugly but great to practice the live vein work and to attempt an air layer on a thick 90 degr. branch)  Anyway, had it at an angle, turned around to say Hi to my dog, and in a sec, over she went.  Thankfully wired well in place in pumice so easy to clean up.  I have it under misters and shade for a few days.  I bring it up as I learnt a lesson the hard way, strap down a tree, or I need to build a box to put the pot in.