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jferrier:
I live in Western Washington and don't have much experience with identification of the native pine types, but I've collected what I thought were 3 Ponderosa pines. I've noticed that their needles seem shorter and more green than other ponderosa images I've seen. I've thought maybe the brilliant green coloring was because of the climate here with the abundant rainfall, but then I remembered that I collected these fairly close to an area that has been grown as an experimental forest starting in 1912. I found that they had experimented with exotic species to see if anything was more productive for timber than the native douglas fir. Now I wondering if these aren't  something else possibly seeded from those imports. They are two-needled trees and here are some pics of them.

MatsuBonsai:
Doesn't look like ponderosa to me. Maybe shore pine?

http://www.wnps.org/photogallery_evergreen_trees.html

jferrier:
Well I've got a shore pine I bought from a nursery to compare to, so I'm fairly certain they are not shore pines. The needles are almost identical to my Japanese Black pine actually. The only other native species I'm aware of is Western white pine, but I'm sure it's not one of those. I'm not sure which imported pines have been grown nearby except scotch pine. 

John Kirby:
It looks weak. Have you tried Pinus resinosa? Red Pine.

jferrier:
Looks weak? Why? The die back is a result of growing near a dirt road and being lopped down by machinery when the road is maintained.
I've not tried p. resinosa.  It's not native to where I live.

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