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Species Specific => Ponderosa Pine Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: Baldemotions on March 15, 2016, 05:36 PM

Title: Before After Repots
Post by: Baldemotions on March 15, 2016, 05:36 PM
I don't post much on forums anymore but thought I would post these images of my Ponderosa Pine repots.

(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n490/BaldEmotions/20160309_232325000_iOS.jpg)
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n490/BaldEmotions/20160311_173421000_iOS.jpg)
Title: Re: Before After Repots
Post by: Potawatomi13 on March 19, 2016, 05:53 AM
Like your trees very much.  Have gotten 9 Yamadori Ponderosas.  Five repotting for 1st time right now and 2 burlap bonanza trees 2 years on that I will wire for 1st time ASAP.  Whole new world after nursery trees ;).
Title: Re: Before After Repots
Post by: Baldemotions on March 19, 2016, 06:19 PM
Agreed on the whole different world.  These both are from Andy Smith.  The bottom one was a burlap back in 2014.  The roots were not what I expected when I repotted.  This tree is my most vigorous of the thee that I own.
Title: Re: Before After Repots
Post by: M. Frary on March 20, 2016, 08:58 AM
  What do you do about the long ,rank foliage on these trees. The needles are always way too long. Graft JBP on it?
Title: Re: Before After Repots
Post by: Baldemotions on March 20, 2016, 06:40 PM
Over time they will reduce in size.  You can also trim the needles.  Fertilize in the fall to help bud production but hold back the fertilizer in the spring because the energy goes into needle growth.
The needles on collected Ponderosa like to grow and you want them to grow to provide energy to the tree.  We end up giving them more water and fertilizer than they normally receive. Also the growing season in our backyards is much longer than the get in the mountains. Over time they will reduce with technique. Mind you they will not reduce like a black pine but they will reduce.

Gregory Cloyed had a nice article series in international bonsai called Pine Management Theory. You can read that here http://www.mnbonsainetwork.com/pine-bonsai/  He does talk about the Ponderosa in this series.

You also read what Andy Smith does.
Title: Re: Before After Repots
Post by: bwaynef on March 21, 2016, 09:15 AM
Do you restrict water, or shield it from rain?  I've heard both of those things for reducing Pondy needles, but that sounds akin to the old way of reducing JBP needles that led to weakened trees.  I defer to experience though.
Title: Re: Before After Repots
Post by: Baldemotions on March 21, 2016, 04:21 PM
At this point I am not restricting water, just fertilizer. 
Title: Re: Before After Repots
Post by: SHIMA1 on March 31, 2016, 12:30 AM
On the first one I would suggest potting so 2 feet are showing, one at each side, for stability.
Nice trees.
Title: Re: Before After Repots
Post by: augustine on June 10, 2016, 10:27 AM
very nice trees.
Title: Re: Before After Repots
Post by: Baldemotions on August 18, 2016, 10:48 AM
Here are some updated images of these two trees.
I am taking them both to one of the Colin Lewis workshops in Chicago this weekend. Lets get some pads started.

For progression photos of these two ponderosa pines they can be found on this page. Just scroll down the page. http://www.mnbonsainetwork.com/ponderosa-pine-bonsai/ (http://www.mnbonsainetwork.com/ponderosa-pine-bonsai/)

This first one the needles reduced down from about 5" down to about 2"-2.5".

(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n490/BaldEmotions/Ponderosa.jpg)
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n490/BaldEmotions/20160814_215008000_iOS.jpg)

This second Ponderosa Pine had it's needles reduced from about 6" or 7" down to 1"-1.5"
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n490/BaldEmotions/Ponderosa_1.jpg)