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Species Specific => Japanese Maple Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: Hubris on October 29, 2013, 04:09 PM

Title: Where do you buy?
Post by: Hubris on October 29, 2013, 04:09 PM
Where do you buy your Bonsai from?
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: Jay on October 29, 2013, 08:28 PM
Greetings, if you can, take a few minutes and a fill out the PROFILE section. It will help in answering your questions.
Telling you where my local Bonsai Nuseries are may not be of too much use to you if you live in Oklahoma or California .
Just a thought
Jay
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: Hubris on October 29, 2013, 08:50 PM
Done ... i'm interested in online approaches as well.
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: MatsuBonsai on October 29, 2013, 09:21 PM
Local club shows, regional shows, and conventions usually have some vendors with decent material. 

Visiting artists can sometimes be contacted before their visit to ask that they bring material for sale.

Look for purpose grown bonsai material from knowledgeable, reputable growers. 

Japanese maples, good ones, are difficult to find in my area.

Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: Owen Reich on October 29, 2013, 11:13 PM
http://bonsaiunearthed.com/product/acer-palmatum-hillstock-clump/ (http://bonsaiunearthed.com/product/acer-palmatum-hillstock-clump/)

Just started an online store and my first item happened to be an Acer palmatum.  There are a few bonsai professionals who sell good Japanese maples.  One source is Bill Valavanis http://www.internationalbonsai.com (http://www.internationalbonsai.com).  You may need to contact him directly.  Sometimes Japanese maple bonsai of respectable quality surface from private collections.  I tend to buy them  ;D as it's one of my favorite species to work with. 

Try not to purchase grafted plants with a high graft union unless you are comfortable air-layering and the cultivated variety is strong enough on its own roots.
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: Dan W. on October 29, 2013, 11:19 PM
Owen, please post winter images when the leaves drop.  :)
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: Hubris on October 29, 2013, 11:45 PM
This is good stuff guys keep it coming and some younger stuff is more what i'm looking for I did like your $1,400 tree though lol
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: Owen Reich on October 30, 2013, 11:15 AM
Will do. 
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: John Kirby on October 30, 2013, 02:43 PM
Hubris, $1400 is a pretty good price. 40 years is a lot of development time to buy. Plus it is in a rare mica pot.  :-*
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: Hubris on October 30, 2013, 05:11 PM
Im looking for a project more than a beautiful masterpiece ;) plus christmas around the corner funds are light :'(
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: Owen Reich on October 30, 2013, 07:01 PM
For almost any species, long-term projects are fine.  Apricots and Japanese maples are two species I feel are an exception.  Unless you grow from small plants, the issues are very hard to fix.  I'd add Hinoki to that list as well.  Sometimes no matter how much work you do, a piece of material may not match up with your quality standards by the time it's "finished".  I write this having seen hundreds of old ones in each species.  Yes, apricots can be carved and branches grafted on the others.  But, other issues can be real problems.
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: Hubris on October 30, 2013, 07:35 PM
Im still new to the art so thanks for the advice and I wont be setting my goals too high on my first or second project. I find the jap maple to bey favorite tree to admire at the moment.
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: Hubris on October 30, 2013, 07:44 PM
Also how much difference is it to grow a trident over a jap?
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: Owen Reich on October 30, 2013, 09:59 PM
A lot.  Trident maples grow a lot faster.  Since you're starting out, don't buy something super nice until you know how to care for it and such.  I'm writing an article on material selection for ABS journal now.  It will ship in winter of 2014.  I may copy and paste it on here later....  ::).  Good to see you're using internet resources.  Be sure and join a local club and take some workshops with someone respectable too.
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: Owen Reich on October 30, 2013, 10:02 PM
I may be here next Spring http://www.bonsailearningcenter.com (http://www.bonsailearningcenter.com)
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: Hubris on October 30, 2013, 10:32 PM
Yea im a huge research freak... I may try a trident before jap then and the closest club is two hours away where bwaynef is so if i join i would only meet once in a while... diggin the site
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: augustine on October 31, 2013, 09:41 AM
I have purchased stock material from the following folks:

Meehan's Miniatures
Julian Adams
Bill Valavanis - Yearly winter catalog
Evergreen Gardenworks

All excellent people and would recommend them highly.

I've never purchased trees from Owen but I have taken several of his workshops. Owen is a good guy and I would not hesitate to buy his goods.

I also have access to material from my bonsai club from raffles, purchases, bartering, organized digs, etc.
 And like John said there's normally material avail at exhibits and sometimes workshops. The vendors are normally listed in the event's announcements and you could make contact to inquire about something specific. If you are taking a workshop call the instructor beforehand to inquire.

Best regards,

Augustine
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: jlushious on October 31, 2013, 11:55 AM
Most of my promising stock came from a club member and club raffles. When I first started I got a few trees from non-bonsai growers (nurseries, Home Depot etc.). Despite the fact that they will never amount to anything, it gave me some materials to practice repotting, pruning, watering and general maintenance on. Learning to keep a plant alive is the most important thing I have been learning about. Knowing nothing about the needs of trees when I first started it actually helped to give me something that I could risk losing in the learning process. Now that I have learned more, I think I can keep the trees I acquired through my club alive with much more success.
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: Hubris on October 31, 2013, 12:01 PM
Yea it looks like I need to touch base with a club even if its 2 hours away. That seems to be my best chance at not only succews rate but making the best out of the tree I do end up getting
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: PT on October 31, 2013, 05:19 PM
You should check out the winter silhouette show in Kannapolis, NC Dec 7th and 8th
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: Hubris on October 31, 2013, 05:29 PM
Kind of like the gun and knife show just for bonsai?
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: PT on October 31, 2013, 08:38 PM
It is primarily an exhibition. Bill Valavanis will be doing a demo Saturday afternoon, and there will be vendors.
http://www.winterbonsai.com/index.html (http://www.winterbonsai.com/index.html)
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: Hubris on November 02, 2013, 10:57 PM
John at Green thumb was great and very helpful... here's a few pics i snapped while I was there.
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: bwaynef on November 02, 2013, 11:10 PM
Did you come home with any?  I recognize that maple in the 2nd to last picture.
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: Hubris on November 02, 2013, 11:15 PM
yea I took the one you wired lol and the trident so feel free to help me with the Japanese maple  ;D
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: John Kirby on November 03, 2013, 08:10 AM
Good for you. I fisrt met John thriugh Dave Lapeyrouse who had Living Art Bonsai in Houma LA. Dave is still Selling field grown trees in Georgia. He is on Facebook. Have fun!
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: Hubris on November 03, 2013, 08:13 AM
He truly is a very kind man. Brought the girlfriend and she was talking about our French Bulldog and John helped us find clubs for him and ways to stud him out on top of helping me find two of his trees a home  :)
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: LarryAldrich on January 06, 2014, 01:07 AM
I purchased some cuttings from this site recently.  http://www.evergreengardenworks.com/viewcat.htm (http://www.evergreengardenworks.com/viewcat.htm)
No pictures on the catalog page but I used google to get an idea what the mature tree might look like. 
I'm happy with what I got the shipping and the retail price.  Also he answers my follow up questions. 
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: Jay on January 06, 2014, 06:31 AM
Larry, Brent is an excellent place to go for stock.
He has been doing this for quite a while and is extremely
Knowledgeable.
Please think about going to the profile section and adding your location.
It helps people figure out the best way to help you...knowing where you are.
Jay
Title: Re: Where do you buy?
Post by: Owen Reich on January 06, 2014, 03:31 PM
One thing I tell everyone is to get a bead on the overall market before buying anything from anyone.  This forum is one great place to get advice on where to purchase things.

There is a really big arc for pricing of the same species / size / age.  The quality of craftsmanship on making a given bonsai or pre-bonsai is where the importance lies.  Seeing these finer details can really affect my interest in a tree.  I also encourage people to find advocates with more experience.  Yes, the vendor is often supposed to fit that role.

This matter of material quality is starting to be addressed more and more lately which is great.  Just submitted an article on the matter to the ABS Journal and more instructors seem to be gently or aggressively pushing this matter forward.  This can be a delicate matter between bonsai professionals and hobbyists but for those trying to push boundaries of quality standards, essential.  If you are happy with what you find, only your opinion matters.