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DorianJF

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Seedlings - Suggestions on where to next
« on: November 12, 2014, 03:57 AM »
I have 5 Japanese maple seedlings that I collected this year and I have them currently just sitting in small pots busy growing.

I would really like to start a project with these (knowing that it will be something that is going to take many years).  I have done some reading up on what to do but as you are sure, the net is filled with some much information, it can actually scare one on what route to take.

I read on one of the sites that one should take a plank / tile and drill holes through it.  One should then feed the seedlings through the tile and then re-pot it.  If I understood correctly the purpose is that firstly there should be roots that will grow above the tile and spread out (great for Nebari) and secondly that one will be able to then remove the roots below the tiles and concentrate on the roots above the tiles after a few years of growing. This will also allow the roots to fuse together and eventually you may have a multi trunk maple bonsai?

The other method I read about is to rafija (bind) the seedlings together and let them grow and eventually mould into each other.

Does anybody have a suggestions on something or any thoughts on how to proceed?

Oh yes, the 2 on the right, I cut off all the leaves only to realise that defoliation should only be done on established bonsai.
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Re: Seedlings - Suggestions on where to next
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2014, 05:13 AM »
Great info here...http://bonsaial.wordpress.com/?s=five&submit=Search

You do want the trunks to be of different size...

A good argument could be made of your defoliation keeping these the smaller ones!  ;)
Its what I do!

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Re: Seedlings - Suggestions on where to next
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2014, 05:18 AM »
Thanks Sorce

Just had a quick glance and that is perfect.

So you say the defoliation will help with keeping the trunks slightly thinner that the rest?
 

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Re: Seedlings - Suggestions on where to next
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2014, 05:57 AM »
Yeah.

No leaves. No food produced. Less growth.

I think its easier to start size differences early too. This way its easier to keep balance down the road. And keep things in check.

Of course you want excellent growth, and defoliation at this point should be minimal. But it is a great tool for balancing.

In the spring. I count buds on branches and remove things so it goes bottom up 15-12-9-7-5-3-new leader.  Or similar.

This is a very mathematical thing for me. Thats why I love it!

This way low branches stay bigger.

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Re: Seedlings - Suggestions on where to next
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2014, 06:04 AM »
That great.

So my understanding is that when you say it goes bottom up its  like this

15 buds on the bottom and then less all the way to the top.
 

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Re: Seedlings - Suggestions on where to next
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2014, 12:51 PM »
Hi Sorce

Thanks for the information once again.  I jumped right in and tried it as soon as work was done.  Keeping fingers crossed that it works out.
 

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Re: Seedlings - Suggestions on where to next
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2014, 04:10 PM »
Make sure the tile's at least an inch (2.54 cm) below the surface of the soil to keep from drying out those roots you're trying hard to create!
 

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Re: Seedlings - Suggestions on where to next
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2014, 10:24 PM »
Thanks for the advice. Going to look at it first thing this morning and check that the soil is settled. Will definitely add more if needed.
 

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Re: Seedlings - Suggestions on where to next
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2014, 02:43 AM »
That great.

So my understanding is that when you say it goes bottom up its  like this

15 buds on the bottom and then less all the way to the top.

Yup, I never read this anywhere, its just something I do cuz it makes sense.

I have  a little clump elm I am working on, in a grow out stage, same concept, smallest trunk has less foilage. And on up. It is keeping its proportions well.

Forgot your location for a second. Its still spring there? Early summer?

You are well on you way with those! Definitely. Keep the Nebari, or new future nebari, covered well.

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Re: Seedlings - Suggestions on where to next
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2014, 02:54 AM »
Thanks Sorce.

I think that is a great concept that you have there.  I believe that it does add another dimension to bonsai.

Definitely added extra soil onto the top to make sure that roots are protected.

Yes, still spring here.  December summer starts.  But it has been very hot and dry till the last few days when we had good rain for 3 days.

 

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Re: Seedlings - Suggestions on where to next
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2014, 05:53 PM »
Hmmmm, always fascinating. And forever out there.
 

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Re: Seedlings - Suggestions on where to next
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2015, 02:00 AM »
Just a quick update on how this is progressing and suggestions on where to next.

The seedlings are doing well and growing nicely with loads of leaves.

Do I leave it like this now till spring in Sept or must I start trimming and wiring already?

Suggestions?
 

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Re: Seedlings - Suggestions on where to next
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2015, 09:43 AM »
Its my understanding that you want as much rampant growth as you can get so that the trunk swells to a point that it's forced to throw roots above the tile.  I wouldn't trim, ...and unless you're sure the branch is in a good spot, I wouldn't wire either.  (No real harm in directional/light wiring though.)
 

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Re: Seedlings - Suggestions on where to next
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2015, 06:40 AM »
Awesome.  Thanks for the input
 

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Re: Seedlings - Suggestions on where to next
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2015, 05:47 PM »
ABSOLUTELY NO TRIMMING

The only thing to trim is any shoot that devides from any leader. Keep each tree one leader only. Any branching divides the growth and swelling below stops.

As it is this year it is OK and growing well so leave it alone. Next year you will cut all the canes to about 2 inches long and start over. Do not cut the canes in the fall leave thru winter and cut just before bud break, around first of Feb. next year.