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Species Specific => Japanese Black Pine Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: akeppler on December 18, 2010, 08:58 PM

Title: Yamadori style Black Pine
Post by: akeppler on December 18, 2010, 08:58 PM
In Feb. of 2006 I took a worshop at the bi-annual shohin symposium in Calif. The pines were essentially whips and I was not very enthused with the material. The talking points were good though so sometimes that is what one pays for. I did style up what I was given and tried to make a quasi suitable bunjin tree out of the material.
Title: Re: Yamadori style Black Pine
Post by: akeppler on December 18, 2010, 09:01 PM
Some year or so later I decided to try something different. After a discussion on yamadori style junipers I thought it may be nice to try it on a pine. The trunk was thin and flexible and the canopy was pretty good with branching in some good places. The trunk was about 3/16 thick and about 12 inches tall.

It was wrapped with wire and crumpled down into a suitable shape. All the branches were twisted and contorted to match the trunk.
Title: Re: Yamadori style Black Pine
Post by: akeppler on December 18, 2010, 09:09 PM
During the fall I re wired the trunk and further compacted the bends making some of them actually touch one another. Bark was removed from the places in the hopes it would graft and add bulk to the bottom of the plant.

Branches were kept in check with pinching and candle pruning. Two areas were chosen to become sacrifice leaders to help thicken all of the plant, but especially the trunk. One leader was higer than the other. I did this so that as the bottom gets thicker, I can remove the higher leader to keep the top smaller and compact while allowing the lower leader to grow on and bulk the trunk.

The higher leader will be removed next year as I am already getting some pretty large thickening up too high.

This fall I did the last needle pluck as well as pruned for shape. The trunk now is around 1/2 inch across and the wire has bitten in hard. The areas where I planned on inarching have done so and the trunk although only about 1/2 inch across seems larger as I have three coils of trunk really close together at the base.

All the needles in these lst photo's have been cut so I could wire it out. One shot shows what the plant looked like for fall before I whacked it back.
Title: Re: Yamadori style Black Pine
Post by: akeppler on December 18, 2010, 09:10 PM
Some shots against black helps to see some details. Looking forward to another year of growth.
Title: Re: Yamadori style Black Pine
Post by: MatsuBonsai on December 20, 2010, 08:48 AM
Looking good, Al.  I really like the compactness and the shape you've created with this one.
Title: Re: Yamadori style Black Pine
Post by: Jerry Norbury on December 20, 2010, 01:02 PM
Very very nice Al.
Title: Re: Yamadori style Black Pine
Post by: Steven on December 21, 2010, 02:59 AM
Looks wonderful Al. Love where this one is going. Thank you for sharing :)
Title: Re: Yamadori style Black Pine
Post by: shimsuki on December 21, 2010, 12:04 PM
Al,
Good use of material, that has the potential to be a real beautiful JBP!

I am familiar with, but dont know a lot about the process of cutting the needles on Black Pine. Would you care to share more about it?


Thanks,
Andrew
Title: Re: Yamadori style Black Pine
Post by: John Kirby on December 21, 2010, 02:54 PM
Al,
Love it. The only problem that I have had with the little Yamadori styled pines is that they tend to thicken very generously at the points where we have dramatic bends. That is partly (I believe) because we are trying to thicken the trunks significantly after the bending. Yours appear to have a very nice balance and good light branching to maybe stop this from happening. John
Title: Re: Yamadori style Black Pine
Post by: M.B. on December 22, 2010, 08:20 PM
Wow Al, very cool. I had no idea what could be accomplished in such short a time. Have you removed all the imbeded wire from the trunk and how hard was this to do?
Mary B.
Title: Re: Yamadori style Black Pine
Post by: bonsaikc on February 04, 2011, 12:06 PM
Wow Al, very cool. I had no idea what could be accomplished in such short a time. Have you removed all the imbeded wire from the trunk and how hard was this to do?
Mary B.

I second this question. Al, I love your wiring technique and what you are doing with this one. I'm looking forward to seeing it in the future.
Title: Re: Yamadori style Black Pine
Post by: akeppler on February 04, 2011, 09:44 PM
Wow Al, very cool. I had no idea what could be accomplished in such short a time. Have you removed all the imbeded wire from the trunk and how hard was this to do?
Mary B.

I second this question. Al, I love your wiring technique and what you are doing with this one. I'm looking forward to seeing it in the future.

Mary and Chris,

I have not removed the wire from the trunk on this one. I have removed it on junipers before and it is very time consuming. Aluminum wire can usually be pulled out of the bark but copper must be cut. Once it is imbedded too far it is really hard to remove.
Title: Re: Yamadori style Black Pine
Post by: donmaple on February 05, 2011, 09:52 AM
Al, all I can say is WOW! You have quite a bag of tricks. Keep them coming. You transformed a leggy little JBP into a stunning piece of work. Thank you for the way you presented it- pictures and explanation of the transformation are very well done. Thanks for posting, Don.
Title: Re: Yamadori style Black Pine
Post by: akeppler on October 11, 2011, 09:07 PM
Fall work done. This pine does not really produce candles. It typically produces needles directly from the buds. Now I just need to keep it under control and start it into a smaller pot this year.
Title: Re: Yamadori style Black Pine
Post by: nathanbs on October 11, 2011, 10:17 PM
awesome!
Title: Re: Yamadori style Black Pine
Post by: jacksmom on October 11, 2011, 10:21 PM
Amazing.  I love the progression of the tree!  Can this technique be done on other pines?  Ponderosa?
Title: Re: Yamadori style Black Pine
Post by: akeppler on October 12, 2011, 01:28 AM
I don't see why not....
Title: Re: Yamadori style Black Pine
Post by: bwaynef on October 12, 2011, 08:59 AM
Fall work done. This pine does not really produce candles. It typically produces needles directly from the buds. Now I just need to keep it under control and start it into a smaller pot this year.

The tree is really starting to take shape.  Do you have any plans for removing those wires?  If not, ...why not?  Any idea why this one doesn't grow candles?  I always thought candle length was an indicator of vigor.
Title: Re: Yamadori style Black Pine
Post by: akeppler on October 13, 2011, 02:01 AM
Wire will not be removed from the trunk, but will be removed from the branches as necessary. The trunk is staying wired to imbed it.

As the tree stays so small it seems to produce only needle buds rather than candle buds. What candle buds it did produce this year, were take off last weekend during the fall work. needle buds are green and stay green, then push and the needles emerge directly from the bud. candle buds are darker in color, pointed and in spring will turn sort of hairy and whitish then elongate and turn into a candle while the needles emerge much later.

The cutting of the needles shorter now will cause the tree to produce more needle buds, which are shorter and more compact. Growing candles is good for growing wood but not much else.

This is a very small tree. I will shoot a picture with a referance so you can see how small this really is.
Title: Re: Yamadori style Black Pine
Post by: MatsuBonsai on October 13, 2011, 08:22 AM
I've been taught to favor adventitious buds over needle buds as their growth is more uniform and predictable.  I look forward to seeing more of this tree as you continue to develop it. Looking good, Al.