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John Kirby

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Re: Will Schedules Change - 2012 Calendar off
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2012, 09:11 AM »
Owen, just caught your post. I agree and understand, for my purposes it was best to teach by the standard. The nuances need to be learned in person and with the right material at the right time. Looking forward to seeing the piece.
 

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Re: Will Schedules Change - 2012 Calendar off
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2012, 10:50 AM »
John,

Excellent post about decandling and needle plucking.

I have some questions about the needle plucking:

Plucking as you described destoys the needle bud, does it not?  I saw your advice to Judy where you state to leave some side needles if she wanted to induce some needle buds to develop.  So, I'm thinking that if I have a tree that's earlier in it's refinement, I should leave some side needles so that I might get more interior buds/branches, and the technique you described is for more refined trees.

Last fall I plucked all the old needles on a JBP that was pretty rough.  It was nursery stock, and I'm trying to get it to bud back to shorten the branches.  I plucked needles, one at a time, and intentionally left the sheath.  My thinking was that I would allow light in to the center of the tree, but not destroy the needle bud. 

My results?  I did induce a lot of back budding.  But not from where I had plucked needles.  Old dormant "adventitious" buds (Candle base buds) popped.  So I am getting the back budding I wanted.

However, I do see swelling at the locations that where I had plucked needles.  There might be buds developing there, just haven't had time to develop yet.  I will watch to see what happens when I decandle in a couple of weeks.  They may get stimulated to develop then.

I do have Boon's JBP series, and will watch it again before I decandle this year.  But his trees are farther along in their refinement than mine.  It seems there is a difference of what we need to do for fully refined trees vs rougher stock.

Anyway, thanks again for an excellent post.  I'm off to the bonsai shop to pick up my Zelkova I boarded there while I was in Costa Rica.  Yes, I did the canopy zip lines!  EEEYYOOoooowwwwww!  I did manage to avoid the flesh eating bacteria.

Cheers!

Adair
 

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Re: Will Schedules Change - 2012 Calendar off
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2012, 12:53 PM »
On most black pines, the adventitious buds are the best source for new growth. You pluck the needles the bud dies, you pull needles out one at a time the bud dries up and dies, you cut the needles the bud dries out and dies. The best thing is to get the apical buds really strong (branch and top) fertilize the daylights out of the tree, let the candles run and raise the Auxin levels to really high levels and then cut them off, the energy produced, the release from hormone suppression and the presence of sunlight will kick the adventitious buds right off.
 

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Re: Will Schedules Change - 2012 Calendar off
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2012, 12:58 PM »
Great summary John!  Thanks for taking the time to type all that out! ;)
 

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Re: Will Schedules Change - 2012 Calendar off
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2012, 05:21 PM »
Hi John, Here are some shots of my corker, the first one is prior to getting rid of the top whorl reverse taper issue, and winter work, the next is after the winter work, the last two are current. There appears to be small new buds in the center of the current growth, but the new growth didn't actually extend this year, just opened at the tips.  As I said, I did have to repot this spring, as the water wouldn't drain thru the old substrate.  It seems healthy, but not pushing strongly.  Thanks for the help!
 

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Re: Will Schedules Change - 2012 Calendar off
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2012, 07:33 PM »
Judy, I take it that you haven't repotted the tree yet. What is your fertilizing regimen? The tree looks like it is stronger than it was, but I would suggest not  decandling this year, fertilize well, repot next winter and get the roots cleaned up. You will need to bareroot 1/2 of the tree and get it into new soil. Good luck, John
 

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Re: Will Schedules Change - 2012 Calendar off
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2012, 09:45 PM »
John, i figured as much.  Got to start from a basic set of processes. 

Adair, just showed Fujikawa-San a clip of Monte Verde zip-lines.  I want to go back bad.
 

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Re: Will Schedules Change - 2012 Calendar off
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2012, 09:27 AM »
John, I did repot it this spring.  The old soil was too broken down (old akadama) to allow good drainage, and I had to bare root it then. I think that may be part of why it's so slow right now, I did too much in one season.   It's in a haydite, river rock, and charcoal mix now...
 I have been using a combination of ferts.  I use Dyna-gro almost every other day, and have some green dream on it as well.  I've done a couple applications of Miracle grow recently to see if that will give it a boost.
 I got this as a learning tree 3 years ago, I didn't know at that time that cork barks were more difficult than regular pines, live and learn.  But I have learned a lot so far, just more s l o w l y  than I imagined.  Here is a photo of the tree the first year I had it as a comparison.  Thanks for taking the time to look at this.  Sorry if I clogged up the thread... :)
 

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Re: Will Schedules Change - 2012 Calendar off
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2012, 01:23 PM »
Judy, it is not a Nishiki, so I would treat its a regular black pine. Goof luck, it should pop with the repotting over the next year. John
 

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Re: Will Schedules Change - 2012 Calendar off
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2012, 07:58 AM »
Thanks John, that's my hope too.
 I was told by the seller that it was Nishiki... Guess I don't know how to tell the difference. Thanks again for this thread, great info!