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jferrier

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styling ideas
« on: February 23, 2011, 04:27 PM »
Hello all. Just bought this tree and wanted some opinions /ideas for future work on it. I've shown the branches I'm thinking of eventually removing.  It needs some heavier bottom growth so I'm thinking of doing some needle thinning on top soon and maybe cut a couple of the crown branches to try and get some growth below. In June/July I'll pinch the vigourous top candles as well. Next year if all goes well with lusher bottom growth, I'd like to remove the largest top area, and then the following year the lower bar branch and upward growing one. Any thoughts from experienced JBP folks?
 

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Re: styling ideas
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2011, 10:49 AM »
jferrier,

Looks like a good plan for your cuts.  What kind of soil is it in?  It looks like a Brussel's tree, and their soil isn't the best.  If it were mine I would likely try to repot into good soil this Spring or next.

Also, June/July isn't for pinching, it's for decandling.  If you're wanting to pinch that will likely be in April.
 

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Re: styling ideas
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2011, 04:15 PM »
I got it on Ebay, so not a Brussels. Don't know what kind of soil its in as its still being shipped, but will likely repot it this spring if it seems to need it. I'm fairly new to pines, what's the difference between pinching and decandling? Is pinching partial removal and decandling total removal?
 

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Re: styling ideas
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2011, 04:17 PM »
Matsu,

Also what kind of soil do you recommend for JBP's
 

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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2011, 04:42 PM »
Looks like it is sitting at Brussel's, might be an ebay sale from Dana or one of the group.
 

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Re: styling ideas
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2011, 05:07 PM »
jferrier,

In what City/State are you located?  Are there any clubs or knowledgeable bonsai people in the area?

There's a lot of knowledge to digest about pines, and a lot of bad information out there.  Once you know some basics to follow you should be ok.

Here's what works for me, in my area, with my soil/water/fertilizer/weather, etc.  Your mileage may vary.

- Boon soil mix (akadama/pumice/lava)
- Pinch to control overly strong growth in April (pinch the candles with your finger tips, in half or thereabouts, to relatively same size)
- Decandle in June using either 10 day or peg method
- Fertilize a ton in Spring, remove at decandling, fertilize again 4/6/8 weeks later

All of this is more or less for developed trees.  You'll likely want to change things based on what you're trying to accomplish.  Say, if you want a specific branch to thicken you will likely skip decandling it this year.  If you're growing a new apex, let it run, etc.

There's a lot to consider, you just have to think it through.
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Re: styling ideas
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2011, 05:13 PM »
Also, be sure to read through Chris' Needle Therapy thread.  Lots of good information there regarding decandling Japanese Black Pine and the reasons behind doing so.
 

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Re: styling ideas
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2011, 09:38 AM »
You guys are good. It was Brussels. Wasn't listed as that on Ebay. I would probably have not bought it had I known it was from such a large scale production. Thanks for the info.
 

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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2011, 12:29 AM »
It most likely came from a former  grower in Oklahoma, it will be fine. Just be willing to cut it down to the size you want, and be willing to graft it. This is what makes JBP so fun!John
 

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Re: styling ideas
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2011, 03:06 PM »
Matsu,
Read your topic on decandling. What do you achieve with each technique that is different in regards to pinching versus decandling?
 

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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2011, 03:16 PM »
Pinching is for breaking the spring candles to prevent excessive growth in a specific area, to balance spring growth.

Decandling with needle reduction is done to balance the growth of summer candles, this will increase the level of fine branching and will eventually result in shorter needles. But, most importantly it gives you the opportunity to balance the growth on weaker branches with that on the stronger ones.

John
 

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Re: styling ideas
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2011, 10:57 AM »
Thanks John.