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Shohin JBP
« on: August 15, 2009, 10:42 AM »
This is my shohin JBP that I have out in California that I work on in BIB club workshops. This picture was taken by Sam Edge as part of the show shoot and  Sam removed the stand (wrong size) converted the background from black to grey. I am posting this because the tree is in the  second year of a conversion, branch shortening and lowering, opening up the center and ensuring the tree does not go over 8" in height. I will post pictures this fall when I get back out to Boon's.

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Re: Shohin JBP
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2009, 12:24 PM »
Hey John,

Great tree, I have drooled over it many a time.  I am wondering how often you have to do work like this on a relatively finished tree.  I realize with bigger trees you aren't really constrained the same way as trying to keep a healthy tree under 8".  What do you actually have to do?  I am guessing prune longer shoots back to new buds, but I am sure there are other things needed to keep a tree like this in shape.  Thanks!

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Re: Shohin JBP
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2009, 12:36 PM »
Alex,
It seems that just when you have the tree where you want it, the upper branches get too large, so there has been shortening of branches as well as some removal of thick branches. Akio spent a half a day on it wiring the main branches, it will be fun to see how this tree looks in november when I can remove the old needles and balance the candles.

John
 

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Re: Shohin JBP
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2009, 05:34 PM »
Very nicely done John. If one looks at a shohin, and thinks it's 2 or 3 feet tall, well , that's what it's all about. This tree looks like a much bigger tree, in 2-D, at least. Thanks for posting. Larry
 

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Re: Shohin JBP
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2009, 10:23 AM »
Gorgeous tree John - thanks for sharing!
 

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Re: Shohin JBP
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2009, 07:41 PM »
Hi John,

Your tree is excellent!

I do not mean any offence but...

Would you consider a wider, more shallow pot darker in colour?

I understand from your previous posts that you have a lot more knowledge about JBP (and of bonsai in general) than I do.

If you have a reason why this would not work could you please explain it? I'm just trying to get a better feel as to the decisions people make in their pot choice.

Thanks

Scott
 

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Re: Shohin JBP
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2009, 08:43 PM »
Scott,
The pot is about as shallow as you would want to go, The trees nebari just about touches the edges, so a smaller pot is quite difficult. The color is frequently a topic of conversation, with about as many people liking it as not liking it. The pot is about 50 years old, is japanese and is very fine, I bought it in Japan a few years when I was there for Kokufu. I asked Akio Kondo about the pot and if he could find a high quality Japanese pot for this tree. He looked at it and finally said that he thought the pot was perfect for the tree. So I passed on his finding a new pot.

I guess this shows that folks can have different opinions on pots and trees and can be perfectly happy with their perspective. This tree is in international bonsai magazine, with the stand and black backdrop, this year (pg 37-38, the section on the BIB show), with the stand the pot is mellowed a little bit. Enjoy

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Re: Shohin JBP
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2009, 10:43 AM »
John,
Was it this pine that was featured on the first page of "Regional Care" in the most recent issue of the ABS Journal? I don't have my copy in hand but it immediately struck me as the same tree when I opened the issue.

Chris
 

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Re: Shohin JBP
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2009, 11:04 AM »
Chris,
Don't know. Who did the article?
 

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Re: Shohin JBP
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2009, 12:27 PM »
Pine Queen,
This tree was most likely field grown for a portion of its life. There is evidence that there was a leader cut off some years ago. at the back. The bark is old and very well scaled for this size tree, so I wouldn't expect that it had been in the ground for a long time. I would expect that the tree is in the 35-40 year old range.

Hope this helps,
John
 

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Re: Shohin JBP
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2009, 05:10 PM »
...and ensuring the tree does not go over 8" in height....

Hey John...excellent tree! 

I have struggled with how to ask this question so I am just going to spit it out:)

Why the concern with 8" ? 
I see the obvious answer(display classification), but I wonder if really matters outside of Japan??
What if to your eye, the best tree was 9" tall but you could make it a good 8" tree...does it matter that much???

just wondering:)
John
 

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Re: Shohin JBP
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2009, 05:25 PM »
John,
Right now it is only to meet the rules for Shohin- 8" for exhibition purposes. There will come a time (most likely) that we will need to design the tree to be taller than 8", then for a while it will be Kifu. Good Kifu (8-12) and Chuhin Pines (12-18") are fairly abundant, it is the joy and struggle of shohin that make it worth trying to make the best 8" tree you can (for me).

The engineering and design struggles are interesting to deal with.

John
 

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Re: Shohin JBP
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2009, 08:00 PM »
Chris,
Yes it is this little pine in the ABS Bonsai magazine. Rob King got a picture of it while he was at Boon's for an intensive. His picture is excellent and shows the tree immediately after decandling, it was pruned last winter, and before it was wired. I won't post the picture here because I am sure it is copy protected (as it should be), but I recommend that you go see the article on Decandling it is excellent and contains a tremendous amount of useful information

John
 

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Re: Shohin JBP
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2009, 10:41 PM »
John,
Great tree and it looks great in the magazine! Glad to know I wasn't spitting into the wind with that particular get. Keep it up. There's another particular shohin I'd love to see as well sometime.

Chris
 

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Re: Shohin JBP
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2009, 12:22 PM »
Chris, the tree you are interested in seeing now resides in a "round" pot, I am trying to get the roots closer to the trunk to grow more strongly. Then, in another year I can cut the main root in back part of the nebari enough to get it into that fine little pot it was in previously, you remember it with the front about 20 degrees off center- they couldn't really fit it into that pot correctly. I hope to wire over Christmas break. It is a very nice little tree- easily keeps the 8" limit.

John