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JRob

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Plucked JBP
« on: October 16, 2009, 12:02 PM »
Good Morning All,

Could someone please post a pic of a JBP that has been well groomed over the years and has been recently had its needles thinned. Don, John, Jeff and others - any takers. I'd love to see a JPB what one looks like this time of year before it goes into its winter rest.

Thanks much,

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Don Blackmond

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Re: Plucked JBP
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2009, 12:27 PM »
this photo is from last season
I have not started Fall needle work yet this season.
 

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Re: Plucked JBP
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2009, 12:33 PM »
Don,

When will begin your needle plucking and how much of the old needles do you remove?

JRob
 

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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2009, 12:45 PM »
Don,

When will begin your needle plucking and how much of the old needles do you remove?

JRob

I usually do it late October and into November, just so long as they are not frozen.  How much to remove depends on the stage of development. 

For smaller, more refined trees, I leave between 2 and 4 sets of needles per tip depending on strength. 

On less refined material that is being developed I will leave more in case I want to chase back to a spot closer inward.  Some people rip off all the old and wait for adventitious buds to appear before chasing back.  I normally just leave some of the old and cut back to it, then the buds pop anyway.
 

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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2009, 03:31 PM »
I don't work the trees as hard as don describes. We remove all of the old needles and leave at least 5 pairs of needles at the top of the tree, 6 in the middle and 7 to 8 on the lower branches. If you have a winter show, leave more.

John
 

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Re: Plucked JBP
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2009, 10:09 PM »
This one arrive in my yard this August.  I haven't done much other than thinning this fall, but it's obviously been well cared for through the years.  This one will be wired, the branches brought down, and repotted (with the new front shown here) in Spring.  I've left it a little fuller for the winter and it will be thinned further (5-7-9 needles) in Spring as well.
 

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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2009, 07:44 AM »
Looking good John, as hot as it was on the drive back it is good to see all of the little gymnosperm children are doing well. For the sake of this post, by spring for repotting and wiring, what month are you referring to for KY(Ken-tuh-kee)?

Since I have a small heated space, I start wiring and repotting in January here in AR (Ar-can-Saw), moving them out to the unheated poly house in mid- March and outside on to the benches in early April.

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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2009, 08:20 AM »
Looking good John, as hot as it was on the drive back it is good to see all of the little gymnosperm children are doing well. For the sake of this post, by spring for repotting and wiring, what month are you referring to for KY(Ken-tuh-kee)?

Likely the end of February or first week in March.  Weather in the Ohio Valley is very unpredictable and even more so in the last year or so.  I'll be building a hoop house some time next year, but as it is now the only option I have is leave them mulched in or take them into the unheated/attached garage.
 

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Re: Plucked JBP
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2009, 08:48 AM »
Hmmmmmm, might be a road trip. Have bender will travel.
 

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Re: Plucked JBP
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2009, 11:09 AM »
Really nice looking trees.  Thanks for sharing.

Just out of curiosity, do you guys have any thoughts on whether additional winter protection is needed for JBPs that are wired? 

Also, is it ok to store JBPs in an unheated detached garage that only gets some sunlight through a small window?  I stored my pines and other evergreens (as well as all my deciduous trees) in the garage last winter without any issues, and from one of Brent's articles, it sounds like evergreens generally don't need light when they are dormant.  But this year I was planning to overwinter my ponderosas outside, and maybe store some of my evergreens outside too.
 

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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2009, 04:34 PM »
I leave Japanese Black Pines (not the highly developed ones) outside in Zone 6/7 (they can't make up their minds...). They are placed on the ground and protected from wind. I put the trees in bonsai pots (generally speaking, not ones in large training pots) in an unheated polyhouse, I think they really benefit from the light because they start to grow earlier than you might think, dependent on both day length and temperature. Plus, I believe that on almost every day the humidity is higher in the polyhouse than in a garage (matter of fact I know that).

Leave the ponderosa outside, protect from wind. Same with Junipers, I leave my Rocky Mountains out on the bench.

John.

 

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Re: Plucked JBP
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2009, 05:51 PM »
Thanks John, that's very helpful. 
 

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Re: Plucked JBP
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2009, 10:48 AM »
Hmmmmmm, might be a road trip. Have bender will travel.

John,

You're certainly welcome anytime.  I've tried to convince Peter to move to KY when he returns, so maybe you could visit us both!  :)

One or our club members will be downsizing next Spring and eliminating some hoop houses.  I've already called dibs on one of the structures (and maybe some of the trees).