Author Topic: My next victim... er... Project! Yeah, that's what I meant!  (Read 17884 times)

John Kirby

  • Hero Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2216
  • Thanked: 16 times
  • I really need an opposable thumb...
Re: My next victim... er... Project! Yeah, that's what I meant!
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2012, 07:36 AM »
Adair, let Boon or I know what size pot you need, always on the look out for pots., sometimes an odd one shows up. Or, you canget your measurements and try One of the US potters.
 

bwaynef

  • Administrator
  • Hero Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1785
  • Thanked: 33 times
  • USDA Zone: 8a
Re: My next victim... er... Project! Yeah, that's what I meant!
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2012, 08:23 AM »
I'm going to be leading a workshop next week at  the bonsai shop on pines ...

At the Monastery?
 

Adair M

  • Hero Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 622
  • Thanked: 6 times
Re: My next victim... er... Project! Yeah, that's what I meant!
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2012, 08:46 AM »
John,

Thanks.  I was going to PM you.

Wayne,

Not at the Monastery. I haven't been there since Brother Paul passed away.  I should though...  No, I'm going to be doing it at Plant City Bonsai in Clermont, GA from 9 to 2 on Sunday, Dec 16.  It's their annual Open House from 2 to 4. 

Steve Cratty is a great guy and travels all over the country bringing in material.  But it seems everyone around here is terrified of pines.  JBP especially.  They're considered "too hard", or "advanced" for the average hobbiest around here.  They buy junipers instead.  I tell people, they're wrong, we have the perfect climate for pines!  Look around, what native trees do you see?  Pines!  Are there any native Junipers here?  No!

My primary interest is JBP, so I offered to Steve to do a workshop on Pines after going to Boon's Intensive, and if there's interest, I'll do one each time I go.  I'm going to try to do it like Boon does, with some video, some demo and some hands on.  I have Boon's Pine DVD series, so we'll view a bit of the Fall Clean Up, and Wiring DVDs.

I hope people show up!
 

GastroGnome

  • Jr. Forum Member
  • **
  • Posts: 86
Re: My next victim... er... Project! Yeah, that's what I meant!
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2012, 11:23 AM »
That is really excellent material, and goes a long way towards showing the difference between professionally farmed bonsai and field grown stock.  Primary branch selection has already been made and maintained, branches below the primary or on the same plane to thicken the base weren't allowed to get to large, and there has clearly been some nebari work.  Excellent.  If we had more farmers like Chris producing material like this I think we'd see American bonsai develop much faster!
 

bwaynef

  • Administrator
  • Hero Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1785
  • Thanked: 33 times
  • USDA Zone: 8a
Re: My next victim... er... Project! Yeah, that's what I meant!
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2012, 02:36 PM »
Wayne,

I'm going to be doing it at Plant City Bonsai in Clermont, GA from 9 to 2 on Sunday, Dec 16.  It's their annual Open House from 2 to 4. 

What is the cost to attend?  Is this a demo or will there be workshop trees available?  PM me details (or feel free to post 'em here).
 

Adair M

  • Hero Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 622
  • Thanked: 6 times
Re: My next victim... er... Project! Yeah, that's what I meant!
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2012, 03:38 PM »
Wayne,

$35 to attend.  I'm not charging anything.  It's a "bring your own", or you can buy something from Steve's.  I've told him to see if he can get some copper wire from Jim Gremmel to sell.  Previously, he only sold aluminum, and I've been encouraging him to provide copper.  We'll see.  Call Steve at 770-983-3377, or visit www.plantcitybonsai.com.

I'm bringing 4 of my trees to show: 1) An example of a decent wiring job, 2) What happens (wrong) if you decandle at the wrong time of the year, 3)  A tree that's been in training two years, and the back budding I've stimulated, 4) and this tree to demonstrate bud selelection.  I don't have any "finished" trees, unfortunately.

At the last workshop at Steve's, it was "supposed" to be a Pines workshop, and a "wiring" workshop.  It was pines, most everyone bought a JWP Steve brought in from Brussell's.  Hardly anyone put any wire on.  Except me.  I wired a JBP into a SemiCascade.

 

Adair M

  • Hero Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 622
  • Thanked: 6 times
Re: My next victim... er... Project! Yeah, that's what I meant!
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2012, 03:44 PM »
More pictures taken today in the rain:

The inside of the Anderson pot it's in is 14 inches.  The nebari barely fits in there front to back.
 

John Kirby

  • Hero Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2216
  • Thanked: 16 times
  • I really need an opposable thumb...
Re: My next victim... er... Project! Yeah, that's what I meant!
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2012, 12:29 AM »
Adair,
You will need to measure the wide points when you get it out and do the root work, an Oval in the 10x18 would probably work, biut you will need to measure, I would go large to get the healing and maximum bud development. Lot's of possibilities for this one. John
 

nathanbs

  • Sr. Forum Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 370
  • Thanked: 2 times
Re: My next victim... er... Project! Yeah, that's what I meant!
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2012, 03:36 AM »
Adair,
You will need to measure the wide points when you get it out and do the root work, an Oval in the 10x18 would probably work, biut you will need to measure, I would go large to get the healing and maximum bud development. Lot's of possibilities for this one. John

Do you think an oval would be masculine enough for this beefy tree?
 

John Kirby

  • Hero Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2216
  • Thanked: 16 times
  • I really need an opposable thumb...
Re: My next victim... er... Project! Yeah, that's what I meant!
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2012, 09:44 AM »
Could be, depends onjow much curve he ends up with. The easiest way to reduce the visual mass of the pot is to move from  square/ rectangle to a cut corner octagon  or an oval. With this tree, when the large roots are replaced with fine roots, it will most likely fit in to a small enough  strong rectangle to be pleasing. For training, it is less problemmatic to put it in a larger pot, but one with less soil volume/mass to deal with.  But you could also plant it in to a 12x18x4-5 to go. I woould hope theshow pot would be somewhat smaller.
 

Adair M

  • Hero Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 622
  • Thanked: 6 times
Re: My next victim... er... Project! Yeah, that's what I meant!
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2012, 10:05 AM »
While I haven't taken the tree out of the Anderson pot, I have poked around... The wood above the soil level is 10 inches front to back.  The roots are solid for about an inch under the soil level.  I'm thinking the wide side of any pot is going to have to be at least 13 inches.

And I agree it would be better to err on the large side! I can always put it in a better pot later.

The Anderson flat is 5 inches tall.  The soil level is at about 4 inches.  So, the tree has a fairly shallow root system.  Most of the pots I've seen that could accomodate the width are deep, 5 to 5.5 inches on the inside.  Clay pots are much thicker than the Anderson flat it's in, and they just appear to be so much more massive.  I took the tree to the bonsai shop, and placed various pots in front of it, stood back and it just seemed that all I saw was "a wall of baked clay".

There was an oval I could use that would be a good training pot while I look for a good show pot.  (There's plenty of time.  It will take 4 or 5 years to refine this tree.)
 

John Kirby

  • Hero Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2216
  • Thanked: 16 times
  • I really need an opposable thumb...
Re: My next victim... er... Project! Yeah, that's what I meant!
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2012, 10:17 AM »
Do the repotting intensive first, then think about the pot you will need. I believe you might be s'prised as to whatcan work.

John
(You won't be in Kansas any more.....)
 

Adair M

  • Hero Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 622
  • Thanked: 6 times
Re: My next victim... er... Project! Yeah, that's what I meant!
« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2012, 10:46 AM »
LOL!!!

That's exactly what I was planning to do!  But I thought it would be prudent to start shopping for a pot, knowing that it might take some time for me to find one.

Chris at Telperion Farms didn't have a photo of the nebari when he last potted it, but I've seen some of other similar trees that he's done.  And he does a pretty good job of developing fine roots.

I'm thinking it will be able to go into a pretty shallow pot, relatively speaking.
 

John Kirby

  • Hero Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2216
  • Thanked: 16 times
  • I really need an opposable thumb...
Re: My next victim... er... Project! Yeah, that's what I meant!
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2012, 07:00 PM »
Boon has a good training/sit and stare at on the bench pot for you. You can become like the rest of us who've done intensives- the person running through the airport with a pot in hand. We have trained the TSA folks to expect them with only funny looks and a swipe for the scanner.....
 

Adair M

  • Hero Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 622
  • Thanked: 6 times
Re: My next victim... er... Project! Yeah, that's what I meant!
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2012, 08:34 PM »
Too funny!

Yeah, I was thinking ill check a too large bag, I'm flying Delta and I get a free checked bag.

We stopped at Grove Way, and he had some nice pots, too. But they all seemed to be oiled with something. They were sticky.

If Boon has something, that would be nice.