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Species Specific => Japanese Black Pine Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: BONSAI_OUTLAW on December 16, 2009, 08:36 PM

Title: My JBP
Post by: BONSAI_OUTLAW on December 16, 2009, 08:36 PM
This is an aweful picture of one of my favorite JBP.   I am looking on some advice as to where y'all think I should take it.
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: BONSAI_OUTLAW on December 16, 2009, 08:37 PM
Here is a picture of it before I pulled the needles.
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: ericrobinson on December 16, 2009, 10:10 PM
Would you be able to shorten the tree to improve the power of the trunk?  Quick Virt...

cut at red line?  Then train a new apex?
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: ChrisM on December 17, 2009, 08:56 AM
i like the virt, does look a lot better and more powerful, keep us informed!
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: Don Blackmond on December 17, 2009, 09:34 AM
I'd keep the height and continue developing the branch structure.  Once the branches thicken more and you have better ramification it will look very good (and powerful).  You will be able to fill in the dead space more, yet have plenty od separation.  The height is one feature that makes this tree great.  Are you deadset on that front?  I would open up the very apex a bit more.  I am very fond of this tree.
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: John Kirby on December 17, 2009, 02:26 PM
Outlaw,
I think that I am with Don on this one, this tree is uncommon in that it has good branching all the way up the trunk. Like Don, I too would like to see the sides and back, maybe an even better tree hiding in there. John
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: bonsaikc on December 17, 2009, 03:29 PM
Jase,
Thanks for posting this one here. Is it kotobuki? I know it's one of the dwarf varieties. Anyway, it looks like you have been doing a terrific job so far. I've already told you that I like the height and would want tosee the branches brought down. It's just hard for me to show in a virtual.

Thanks again for posting it!
Chris
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: Don Blackmond on December 17, 2009, 07:45 PM
Chris it is a kotobuki he got from me a year or two ago iirc.
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: BONSAI_OUTLAW on December 19, 2009, 04:25 PM
Thank you all for your help. 
I really don't want to airlayer this pine, but I love the virt. 
I am going to get some more pictures as soon as it is not covered by 20 inches of snow.  I really like some of these ideas though.  Thank you again.


P.S.   The best trees I have all came from Don.
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: BONSAI_OUTLAW on May 06, 2010, 01:43 PM
Here is a bad picture of it from last week. 
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: John Kirby on May 06, 2010, 02:34 PM
Looking good and strong, keep the water (and I see osmocote?) going to it. You want it strong and lush. John
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: Don Blackmond on May 06, 2010, 02:43 PM
I still love it.  :'(
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: BONSAI_OUTLAW on May 06, 2010, 09:54 PM
I am ferting with osmocote, miracle grow, and iguana juice grow. 
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: John Kirby on May 06, 2010, 09:57 PM
Excellent. I know Don has a very nice method for decandling and managing these guys. Will be fun to watch this one progress.
John
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: BONSAI_OUTLAW on May 06, 2010, 10:03 PM
I consider myself a red headed step child of Boon.  I have learned what I know from you (John), Chris Johnson and Boons video.  I am growing and working with this tree like I think you would John, but I am curious as to what Don is doing differently.

This tree grows a lot different than the other JBP I have.  About five feet away I have JBP with 8-10 inch candles and much longer needles.  My tree looks different than the kotobukis I have seen.  Are you sure it is a kotobuki and not a hybrid Don?  I remember you saying that it was grafted, but I can't tell where the graft is.  I have been thinking that I would like to propagate this tree.  I'm gettin' old, but I think it would be fun to have more of these in the world.
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: Don Blackmond on May 07, 2010, 09:46 AM
I bought it from Dave Dewire many years ago.  He did the grafting.  The needles tend to be a little longer than my other kotobuki but it is a kotobuki nevertheless.  It may just be a tree started from a non-typical branch cutting.  I can identify it by the candles, needles and growth patterns.  Kotobuki are produced only by cutting or air-layer.

It is grafted on scotts pine understock, and the graft is right at the root crown.  It is a good grafting job, and it has been grown out to blend the union.  I had it in an oversized nursery can for a couple seasons, then in that large, deep  clay pot for a few years before you got it.  It was fed heavily and grown for rapid development of mass.  That is why the union is not noticeable and the base is so nice.  I see you are doing a nice job developing the branching now.  It is a really nice tree, one I truly like a lot.  If you ever get tired of it I'd like to get it back.
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: BONSAI_OUTLAW on May 07, 2010, 07:40 PM
Wow... Thank you for the history on it Don.  I love this tree.  You must have a pretty impressive collection to let go of this one in my humble opinion.

Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: BONSAI_OUTLAW on May 10, 2010, 01:56 PM
I got to wondering about something.  why do you think that he used scots pine as the understock and not a JBP?
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: Don Blackmond on May 10, 2010, 04:50 PM
no clue; scots pine is a common source for understock though.
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: BONSAI_OUTLAW on April 01, 2011, 03:41 PM
Well it is in a new pot and It looks a little different so I thought I would update this old thread.  I like this tree more and more.  To me it actually looks like many of the North American Pine trees I have seen.  I am not happy with the apex yet, but I think it is getting there.  What do y'all think?
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: JTGJr25 on April 01, 2011, 09:46 PM
Looking real good Jase I've always like this tree.  Your very right, driving through the pine barrons, most of the pines I see look very much like yours.  I love the tall elegance it has yet still a respectively powerful base. 

The only thing I see I would change is the last branch at the top is very straight in the picture.  This may not actually be the case but I think I would shorten it anyway.  I believe shortening that branch and wiring the apex will help finish off the look.

Tom
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: BONSAI_OUTLAW on April 02, 2011, 12:39 AM
Yeah...it is an absolutely perfectly straight branch.  I am hoping for some backbudding and want to shorten it a bit.  It was was part of the apex and with great difficulty was bent down as per Victrinia because there was a huge open area on that right side that needed to be filled.  I hope to get that shortened in the next two to three years or I am going to have to graft it.  I have never grafted a JBP though.
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: Treebeard55 on April 02, 2011, 01:18 PM
...  To me it actually looks like many of the North American Pine trees I have seen...

Then you're doing something right!

I like this tree better now than I did in the first pictures. What put me off in the earlier ones was the regularity -- to my eye, it looked almost stamped out of a mold. (No offense intended.) That's partly personal taste; I find regularity in art rather boring.

But now the tree's individuality and character are coming out more, and starting to push the regularity into the background.  The result is that the visual appeal is much enhanced, at least for me. I think you did well to wait before shortening it!  :)

Looking forward to more updates in the future.
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: bonsaikc on April 03, 2011, 12:14 PM
Jase,
I love the tree, I think you are doing a fantastic job with it. Can you take four pictures, rotating the tree 90 degrees each time? Or even 8? A good view of all sides of the tree would be very instructive and pleasing, and will help you visualize all angles.

Chris
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: BONSAI_OUTLAW on April 25, 2011, 03:45 PM
Chris,  I will see if can take a few pics for you this week. 

I was able to take a picture of one of the trees that inspired my styling.
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: John Kirby on April 26, 2011, 07:37 AM
Very nice, coming along well. John
Title: Re: My JBP
Post by: Don Blackmond on December 29, 2011, 09:38 AM
Just stumbled upon this photo from 2005 after repotting and some wiring.  Poor background.  I thought I'd add to the history here though.