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My JBP #42 - Pictures
« on: July 08, 2009, 08:33 PM »
Ok, I've had the two threads merged as I didn't like the two thread idea very much.

I'll continue to update this thread with more pictures as work continues.

The tree is about 12 years old. I picked it up at a workshop (first picture) and have been working on it for about 3 years. Second picture is of the tree in March of 2008 before wiring, and the third in April 2008 after wiring and needle pulling. If you look closely you can see where 2 of the major cuts were made in 2006, they've just about healed.
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Re: My JBP #42 - Pictures
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2009, 09:08 PM »
Here's the tree as it looks today.  It was repotted earlier this year with the new front.  Most of the nasty root was removed and a lot of other root work performed.  The surface roots should be in pretty good shape after the next repotting.

Much of the wire was removed earlier this year as it was beginning to cut in.  It will likely be rewired this fall.

The tree was decandled using the 10 day technique starting in mid June and finished up at the beginning of July.
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Re: My JBP #42 - Discussion
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2009, 05:44 AM »
I like where you are going with this tree and will be a beaut as it fills in.

I'm not sure why you decided to post on two different threads though. It is distracting.
 

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Re: My JBP #42 - Discussion
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2009, 08:32 AM »
Irene/Rick, thanks for the comments.  Rick, I was just trying something different to see how I and others might like it (or not).  I might ask for the threads to be merged.

Irene, this was picked up at Brussel's Bonsai Rendezvous in 2006.  The roots were not as well cared for as I would have liked, see the big nasty one, so I've had to do a lot of correcting over the years.  The offending roots would have fit into this pot, but they would still be bad, so I've been slowly correcting that fault.  Bad nebari will break a tree, good nebari might not be noticed, but great nebari will make a tree shine.
 

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Re: My JBP #42 - Discussion
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2009, 01:51 PM »
Very nice work.  Its refreshing to see a small JBP with a relatively slender graceful trunk rather than a real thick trunk.  The basal flare really makes the tree.  Once the needles are reduced and it fills in this will be a fantastic little tree.  I'm excited to see this progress.  Very inspiring.

Tom
 

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Re: My JBP #42 - Discussion
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2009, 01:05 PM »
Great looking tree with nice movement!  I like both short fat trees as well as more graceful moving ones, but I have to agree that the nebari can really make or break it.  I think the root flare will really shine on this tree.  I did wonder if you had considered grafting a branch on the lower left curve and then pushing back the current first left branch to make it more compact.  The tree may be too slender for it, but my eye wants it to flow to the left.  Either way it is a great looking tree, I look forward to seeing it as it fills out more.

I had to follow your links because I recognized your name but couldn't place it for the life of me, then realized you are one of Boon's students and it all made sense.  I am about to join the list of BIB members in weird corners of the country as I am moving from Berkeley to Michigan for Grad school.  It is encouraging to see others out there doing so well with their trees.

Cheers,
Alex
 

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Re: My JBP #42 - Discussion
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2009, 01:36 PM »
I did wonder if you had considered grafting a branch on the lower left curve and then pushing back the current first left branch to make it more compact.  The tree may be too slender for it, but my eye wants it to flow to the left.


Alex,

Thanks for your comments.  I had considered it, and am still thinking about it.  If a new branch were grafted there I would likely need to graft a back branch between the existing 1 and 2 branches as well.  That's certainly a possibility.  I'll post some more pictures this fall as it continues to fill in.  I checked on it yesterday and it's back budding like crazy, so I should have more options for shorter branches next year.

This one reminds me of Jonas' tree, but his has a tighter curve and better shape overall.
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Re: My JBP #42 - Discussion
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2009, 06:09 PM »
Hi John,
Nice little tree, well balanced and looking really healthy. When I first looked at this tree in the postings, I too thought of grafting on to the left side of the tree. However, at that point (and you bring this up) you then need to develop the back of he tree. I think possible resolution may actually lie in lengthening the branch on the left and bring it  down to fill the space. This would probably require either, or both, a slight adjustment of the tree to lean to the right, and rewiring, to bring the first branch on the right down. Repositioning he apex back to the left would then re-center the tree. The back branches could then be lengthened, while increasing secondary and tertiary branching to provide the depth that you really want.

Very nice. Of course, you could also graft new branches, but I think you have a very nice tree with or without the grafting.

John
 

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Re: My JBP #42 - Discussion
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2009, 09:20 PM »
So I played with some sketches today, as they really help me visualize my ideas on a tree and I figured I would share them.  The one on the left would require grafting a branch on the lower left and a branch on the upper right.  The right sketch would just need the graft on the upper right.  In both sketches the right graft would be meant to be pointed away and to the right, so as to fill in the back a bit (though you may be able to do this by pulling down a branch).  As Mr. Kriby said, the tree is great whatever you decide to do.

Alex
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Re: My JBP #42 - Discussion
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2009, 02:43 PM »
Alex, John,

Thank you both for your comments.  I certainly have a few options for this tree.  John, my original plan was to continue to bring the branches down to fill in space.  However, as my grafting has improved that has opened up some options for sure.  I likely won't decide until next Spring.  So, until then it's typical Japanese Black Pine maintenance for this one.  More pictures to come in late Oct or early Nov.  Stay tuned!
 

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Re: My JBP #42 - Discussion
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2009, 04:56 PM »
John,
I have a slender "ogata" sized JBP with a first branch grafted in place (a number of years ago). If I get back in time tonight, I will take a picture and post (I am at O'Hare right now in the Admiral's club using the free wifi).  If you are going to graft, whare are the scions coming from? fo you have some long one's hiding on the back of the tree? Or are you (Oh, forbid...) going to bring them from another tree?

John
 

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Re: My JBP #42 - Discussion
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2009, 06:22 PM »
John,

Oh my, of course from the same tree.  There are plenty of branches in back and others, especially if I do some shortening/trimming at the same time.

Have a safe flight.  Looking forward to seeing some pictures. 
 

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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2009, 11:09 PM »
Hi John,
Was raining last night when I got home, so....... I am now in the Washington D.C. area until Saturday, hopefully will be able to take some pictures then. Airplanes are strange things, they keep taking you back to Chicago... I have been at O'Hare 4 times in 6 days, and will be there again on Saturday and Sunday......... I think I would like to get a job mowing lawns, Forrest Gump had it right.
 

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Re: My JBP #42 - Discussion
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2009, 06:15 AM »
from your first pic i have one jbp the same and want to know if you cut it back all at once or over time im looking forward to the spring to start cutting my pine down
 

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Re: My JBP #42 - Pictures
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2009, 09:50 PM »
Ok, I've had the two threads merged as I didn't like the two thread idea very much.

Loope, I found a picture after the initial work was done.  As work continues I'll be able to remove more of the large roots and change the planting angle to better match the initial design.
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