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bwaynef

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Late spring fertilizing
« on: June 11, 2013, 10:12 AM »
I always have ambitions of fertilizing on a schedule, but inevitably life gets in the way.  I'd also intended to add more organic tea bags ...and maybe remove the ones I placed on trees this spring.  I managed to keep the schedule more than not, but was wondering if improved diligence the rest of this month would manage to show any improvement in the results of decandling?

I have 4-4-4 Jobes organics in tea bags, and I try to hit them with MG tomato fertilizer & Fish emulsion (and humic acid when I think about it) every week, but it ends up being about every week and a half to two weeks.

Is there any benefit if I replenish the teabags and manage to supplement w/ MG & Fish-stank on schedule (even an accelerated schedule)?
 

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Re: Late spring fertilizing
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2013, 12:29 PM »
Are you planning to decandle?  When?

The last fertilizing should be about a month before you decandle.

I'm decandling mid July this year, so I fertilized a couple days ago.
 

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Re: Late spring fertilizing
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2013, 01:21 PM »
I don't think you can really, "catch up" on fertilizing by fertilizing a lot more in a shorter period of time.  I also believe that best results are obtained by starting with a smaller amount and steadily increasing that amount until you de candle.  You should replace the tea bags or cakes approx every couple months or so as the strength greatly decreases after that time.  If your tree is strong and the goal of the area you are working on is refinement, then de candling is the correct thing to do.  You can go a head and accelerate your fertilizing a bit, but if the tree is not already strong and the spring candles have not grown much, then you should not stress the tree further by de candling.  Best of luck with it!   
 

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Re: Late spring fertilizing
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2013, 02:15 PM »
I never heard to pull fertilizer a month ahead.  I know its removed until the new growth has (somewhat) hardened.

I don't have a particular tree in mind.  I've only got 2-3 that will be decandled this year, but now that I think about it, I need to consider what I'm going to do with all these seedling JBP I'm growing:  chop or grow on another year.  (I wish I could find my digital copies of the "Growing JBP from Seed" articles.)
 

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Re: Late spring fertilizing
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2013, 02:24 PM »
Have you been checking out Bonsaitonight.com lately?  Fantastic articles on De candling, great info
 

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Re: Late spring fertilizing
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2013, 03:58 PM »
I never heard to pull fertilizer a month ahead....

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I also had never heard of that.  I fertilize regularly/heavily up until the last day of decandling.  I then remove, starting slowly again in 6-8 weeks (give or take).

I second Jonas' recent (and all) posts.
 

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Re: Late spring fertilizing
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2013, 08:24 PM »
I guess I should have been more explicit about the fertilizer.  I put my organic poo balls in tea bags.  They appear to last about a month.  So, after a month, they're done.  I start putting them on the soil about 4 months prior to decandling. So, I put my last ones on about a month before I plan to decandle.  And then remove them entirely when I decandle. 

I also give them some fish emulsion about once a week.  From what Walter Pall says, that "washes" out in about a week.  So, I'll give them their last dose of the season a week before decandling.

My goal is to feed heavily prior to decandling, then stop the fertilizer while the summer shoots are growing.  Once the summer shoots harden off, restart the fertilizer.

This schedule is per Ryan Neil, based upon a presentation he gave in England.  It's on youtube.

I'll confirm with Boon.  I'll see him next week at the next Intensive.

And I also think Jonas' BonsaiTonight posts are excellent!
 

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Re: Late spring fertilizing
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2013, 07:15 AM »
That makes much more sense. I blame Wayne for the confusion. ;)
 

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Re: Late spring fertilizing
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2013, 10:06 AM »
It usually is Wayne's fault, the confusion that is.
 

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Re: Late spring fertilizing
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2013, 02:12 PM »
Wayne needs to start going to Boon's Intensives.
 

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Re: Late spring fertilizing
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2013, 02:55 PM »
Wayne needs to start going to Boon's Intensives.

I come here to ask a question and am accosted by all of y'all?!  I expect it from Matsu, and am not surprised at Kirby, ...but YOU Adair?  We're practically neighbors!

Actually, Boon's Intensives are "on the list".  A couple of things are going to have to happen first.
 

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Re: Late spring fertilizing
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2013, 08:18 PM »
Gosh, Wayne, I thought you'd WANT to be a SoB!   ;D
 

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Re: Late spring fertilizing
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2013, 02:57 AM »
Adair,
How was the intensive? Did you confirm with Boon about the fertilizing and timing discussed above?

Here in middle Georgia, we have had record rain - over 12 inches in June. You may have gotten more. We have another 2-4 inches on the way thru Fourth of July. Does that affect your de-candling date?

Thanks

Frank in Macon
 

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Re: Late spring fertilizing
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2013, 04:11 PM »
Frank,

The Intensive was great!  Boon said to stop fertilizing until late August or September (depending upon your climate).  Here in GA, everything is later since we have such a long growing season. 

We decandled lots of JBP.  I did one of John Kirby's fantastic cascades.  The new information for me (this was my first Summer Intensive) was the needle pulling we did in addition to the decandling.  And, we wired some trees.  Boon says that decandling time is a good time to do light wiring/styling.  Heavy bending should wait until fall/winter.  Now that I've been to 3 Intensives, I think I'm finally "getting" wiring. 

I messed up with the travel schedule.  I thought the Intensive was Wednesday thru Friday, as they had been before.  Not this time!  It was Thursday thru Saturday!  I was a day early!  Fortunately, Boon was in town, and sent someone to pick me up.  So, I got to hang out in Boon's garden and really look at the trees.  There was another Intensive going on that started on Monday, and I got to see some old friends.  Peter Tea showed up, and brought some pots he picked up in Japan.  (Naturally, I bought one.)  Perhaps it was the extra day there, but I felt more relaxed and confident this time.

Seeing the trees that I had worked on before was fun, too.

I've started my decandling on my JBP this week.  I'm giving a class at Plant City Bonsai on Saturday, so I wanted to have a tree "done" so the students can get an idea of what to expect.  Unfortunately, none of my trees are at the level of refinement that Boon's trees are. 

Oh, I told Peter I had some grafting projects for him when he comes for the Atlanta Bonsai Society workshop.  I hope you'll come, Peter is great!
 

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Re: Late spring fertilizing
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2013, 04:21 PM »
Adair,
Thanks for the report on the intensive with Boon. I know you had a great time with the extra day. I am signed up for the Peter Tea workshop in the afternoon. I am glad to hear you warned him about grafting as I am bringing a trident with some long branches for approach grafts. See you there.

Frank