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JamieR

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JBP shohin stock, first pine
« on: April 07, 2010, 08:49 AM »
hi guys, this is my first decent bit of stock of JBP, it is shohin size as it is, it will be under 18cm by the time i get some of the unecessary branching off once the tree has acclimatised.

i have a few ideas for the tree, but would like a few opinions and ideas from others :)
 

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Re: JBP shohin stock, first pine
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2010, 08:50 AM »
more pics
 

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Re: JBP shohin stock, first pine
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2010, 11:18 AM »
I like it.  You're heading into fall now?
 

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Re: JBP shohin stock, first pine
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2010, 04:49 PM »
Nice one Jamie.
 

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Re: JBP shohin stock, first pine
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2010, 11:00 PM »
gday wayne, yes we are into our first month of autumn/fall. i need to let this one adjust to my climate before i know it will be alright, but im not sure if any needle work should be done?

cheers jerry ;)
 

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Re: JBP shohin stock, first pine
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2010, 11:05 PM »
Looks very promising.  I assume you will be lowering a branch or two on the "barer" side, and then it will be clearer (maybe it's clear to you now; we only have the photos) what has to happen in the upper stories.  Whether it is best developed as a shohin or something a little larger should follow, in my opinion, from what makes the canopy harmonious.  As I say: promising!

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Re: JBP shohin stock, first pine
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2010, 09:53 AM »
I would suggest cutting the old long needles back to 2mm or so and reducing the numbers of branches at the end of each branch to two. The tree is quite young and will need a few years in a container to bark up, but it should do so quite easily. The question on branch placement is a real one. You can use approach grafting to put otherwise useless branches to work and remove them from the unneeded spots when the grafts have taken.

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Re: JBP shohin stock, first pine
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2010, 10:50 AM »
thanks rip rap ;)

thanks for the ideas john :) with the grafting, would free grafting be an option with this? i havent had a great deal of experience with graft but if it helps with branch structure and placement it needs to be done.

jamie :D
 

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Re: JBP shohin stock, first pine
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2010, 11:32 AM »
i will admit i am a complete pine virgin, i have a lot to learn about pines, i will have a fair few specific questions to ask that i hope some of those with a lot of JBP experience can helo :)

when you say cut the old needles to 2mm stubs or so, i get that part i am trying to figure out how to tell the old needles, i presume these are the ones that are further away from the new buds that are forming candles?

we are coming into fall now, should i remove any candles as of yet? or wait till later? i will also be potting this one into a collander or shadeclosth sided grow box, should this be done in spring? it will be more of a slip pot than anything i am thinking just a gentle rake around the outside, and then into a larger growing box than the pot it is in.

jamie :)
 

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Re: JBP shohin stock, first pine
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2010, 12:13 PM »
Jamie,
You will decandle in January in Oz. If you look at the branches you will see needles then a spaces, needles then a space, etc. I would expect that this tree will have 3 or more years of needles on it. Essentially, cut all of the needles except those in the last "tuft" of needles, this years needles. This will be the only time that you would cut needles, after this you will pull them with a pair of tweezers. This time is different because you are trying to stimulate internal buds (adventitious buds) to pop. Everywhere, on the trunk, on the existing branches, etc. Letting the extra light in and "killing" the needles will stimulate these buds to pop, either now or some even ater when you start decandling in earnest.

Slip potting is not a good idea, it is better to get the roots organized while the tree is really strong, so I would suggest a complete repot into you colander or other grow pot. If you get your roots oganized now it will also help you to pick the best front or to develop a plan to fix the rootage as you develop the tree.

The reason I suggested approach grafts is that they are much easier to do and much more likely to have success.

John
 

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Re: JBP shohin stock, first pine
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2010, 08:26 PM »
thanks for your experienced word john! muchly appreciated, i will definately work on what is said and work it right.

i was being cautious with a slip pot but if you think it will be strong enough to get the old needles out, and then a repot aswell all good :)

so with the approach grafts should i get some seedling stock and do it with them or try and use an extended branch?
a seperate plant would be easier i beleive?
 

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Re: JBP shohin stock, first pine
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2010, 02:14 AM »
Use branches on this tree, let one or two that you don't need grow strong next summer and then use them- same tree, same foliage every where. Why next year? repot it this winter/spring coming up, and then look to see where you have buds popping.

John
 

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Re: JBP shohin stock, first pine
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2010, 05:23 AM »
cheers john :) muchly appreciated in your time and wisdom to help. it will go into a diatomite mix and collander or grow pot with the shade cloth sides.

until i get to repotting, any more tips? especially with the repot? mychrozia, how important is this? as i have heard if pines are fed correctly mychrozia isnt needed? is this just a myth?
 

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Re: JBP shohin stock, first pine
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2010, 10:10 AM »
It should have plenty of its own mycorhizae, make sure that you continue to fertilize in the fall until it is dormant- May or early June. Then start fertilizing in the late winter early spring when it shows signs of early growth- at this stage it doesn't really matter what kind of fertilizer, I use an organic cake and supplement it with slow release chemical fertilizer, you can also use a liquid fertiizer as well. The goal is to keep it growing strong.