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Rkovo

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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2012, 11:02 PM »
thanks Kirby,
but by fast repot i simply meant taking care of it first thing. 
is bare rooting a good idea this late in the season? But I will by no means do a half assed job.
of course i will remove damaged roots and do a proper tie down.
 

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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2012, 07:32 AM »
Just checking, pretty interesting to see what some do "to save time".

For JBP in the Bay Area, you can think of yourself as being at the beginning of spring season, reptting ends a month or two earlier than many other places. I will repot the trees I have in Hayward in January and early February, here in the East, late March to early May. John
 

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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2012, 08:36 AM »
is bare rooting a good idea this late in the season?

I won't comment (...because I don't know...) about the timing, but just wanted to point out that its a bad idea to FULLY bare root a jbp.  The recommendation is to do half at one repot, and the other half later.

If you knew that then you can ignore this comment.
 

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« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2012, 11:38 AM »
is bare rooting a good idea this late in the season?

I won't comment (...because I don't know...) about the timing, but just wanted to point out that its a bad idea to FULLY bare root a jbp.  The recommendation is to do half at one repot, and the other half later.

If you knew that then you can ignore this comment.

Is this correct or only when dealing with old hard compacted soil?
 

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« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2012, 12:06 PM »
When taking out of old/undefined soil replace 1/2 with bare rooting, if the tree is really old, or terribly weak, then a 1/4 or 1/3 may be preferable. That is why a really experienced assessment is best. After the tree stabilizes over a number of years, you will again need to remove the old soil, over time.
 

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« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2012, 05:02 PM »
So are you saying bare root 1/2 the root ball, leaving the other half untouched until the second repot?  Seems strange given that the soil is mucky and in terrible condition. 
 

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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2012, 06:40 PM »
Christi, for you, do as you like.
 

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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2012, 10:56 PM »
i only said that because i wish i was in the west coast. haha, all the knoledge and resourses so to speak. Im going through this type of problum with my tree as well. i think the best thing to do is have a plan and exacute it ,like you im out of pocket. i think that the information that the members hear are trying to give us is good, they recommeding bare rooting half, keep inmind that when we go in there and start missing with the roots it kinda stresses the tree puts it in a shock. So we have to be carful not to get to caried away with the roots, that why they recommed only bare rooting half less stress. we have to keep inmind all the elements of the tree in order to be succesesful in the past i was to aggrisive with some of the starter trees that i had and they all died im starting to see the big picture all the forces that keep the tree alive starting with the most inportant one the roots . reminds me when Mr miygi told danel about the tree having to have strong roots.. thanks guys
 

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« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2012, 11:13 PM »
matsu bonsai i just wanted to know if there is a fee for attending your repoting seminar id really like to go. Im in tupelo ms and thats may be 6hr drive ill be honest my experience on black pine is just watching boon repot his tree on dvd now for the 100 time. ive read good things form you, i wish to aquire some knoledge from your repoting cession.
 

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« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2012, 08:07 AM »
No charge for regular meetings. From time to time we have special guests which will require a small fee to help recover some of the cost.  I'll send you some details privately so we don't completely hijack the thread. :)
 

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« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2012, 08:46 AM »
So are you saying bare root 1/2 the root ball, leaving the other half untouched until the second repot?  Seems strange given that the soil is mucky and in terrible condition. 

That's precisely what's being said.  It isn't the optimal soil for the tree to be in, but its better than ending up with a dead tree.  If you choose to go at it a different way, let us know how it works out.
 

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« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2012, 10:45 AM »
So are you saying bare root 1/2 the root ball, leaving the other half untouched until the second repot?  Seems strange given that the soil is mucky and in terrible condition. 

That's precisely what's being said.  It isn't the optimal soil for the tree to be in, but its better than ending up with a dead tree.  If you choose to go at it a different way, let us know how it works out.

Wow, you guys are sensitive!  I only asked, not with any intention to do anything.  Just trying to understand your reasoning leaving it in shitty soil.  Getting dangerous here to simply ask a question...back to lurker mode now. :-\
 

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« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2012, 10:50 AM »
I mentioned letting us know how things went because I can think of a few things I might would do to experiment with the results, ...but don't feel particularly safe in recommending them ...like using a chopstick to allow room for adding some soil into the half of the rootball that isn't barerooted, or scratching the edges of the poor-soil-half and making sure that exposed roots from it are surrounded by good soil.

In theory, this would improve things, but I don't have the experience to back that up enough to recommend you do it on your trees.  If you choose to do any of the above ...or come up with something different, ...let us know how that works out for you.
 

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« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2012, 12:20 PM »
Chrisi,
You leave roots on 1/2 of the tree with soil on them, this is insurance that functioning roots are available to support the tree. However, since you have already prined the bottom of the entire rootpad, and cleaned up the roots around the edge of the pot, cleaned upthe top of the entire rootpad, them barerooted 1/2 of the remaining roots, you only end up with 15-20% of the original roots still in soil. As wayne inferred, leaving roots sticking out of the edge of the non-barerooted section helps to get the new root growth started despite the bad soil.

This is why I suggest that the first time you do this, at least, that you do it with someone who is very experienced, who may vary the approach a little but not the goal of completely replacing the iolf soil in two repottings. Sorry if I was short.
 

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« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2012, 12:36 PM »
Thanks guys for the thoughtful responses.  That makes MUCH more sense now, and logical.  And I too am sorry for being short John ;)
I'll definitely only do half then as you are right, after removing bottom sides and top, I can easily see not having much of the original root mass left.  I hadn't though of it in that way..again, Thanks!